Future of our Open Collective - xmpp foundation wants to support only Prav due to high fees
Pirate Praveen Thu 25 Sep 2025 8:39PMPublicSeen by 17Since current fee for XSF as fiscal host (to be paid to Open Source Collective) is 60 usd per month, XSF wants to support only Prav - which would make them eligible for free tier.
Some options,
Move our collective as a project under prav. Prav bye laws already has supporting similar projects in bye-laws. See point 17 at https://codeberg.org/prav/bye-laws/src/branch/main/bye-laws.md#5-objectives-and-functions
Move to Open Source collective as fiscal host, this would mean 10% fees.
Move to Liberapay.
Move our Open Collective as a project under Prav collective
proposal by Pirate Praveen Closed Thu 2 Oct 2025 9:00PM
No disagreements, so we can ask Prav to host the collective as a project.
What is the decision you need to make?
See the thread description for the background. XSF also has to agree to this proposal.
Why is this important?
This would allow us to continue our fiscal hosting with XSF.
What are you asking people to do?
Support this proposal.
For this proposal to pass, we need the majority of members to vote Agree.
If you Disagree, say why and what needs to change for you to Agree.
Results
| Results | Option | Votes | % of votes cast | % of eligible voters | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Agree | 5 | 83 | 9 |     | |
| Abstain | 1 | 17 | 2 |  | |
| Disagree | 0 | 0 | 0 | ||
| Block | 0 | 0 | 0 | ||
| Undecided | 51 | 89 |                |
Ravi Dwivedi
Thu 25 Sep 2025 8:45PM
If it works for Prav, I don't have any issue
Badri SunderarajanThu 25 Sep 2025 8:45PM
As explained in my comment, I agree with this in principle although I think we should wait and get more clarity before making a decision on the Prav end. Hopefully we will already have that clarity by the time the proposal reaches Prav!
Pirate PraveenThu 25 Sep 2025 8:45PM
This is worst case scenario - hopefully XSF and OSC can find a way to keep the existing collective.
Badri SunderarajanFri 26 Sep 2025 8:21AM
The amount is not 60 USD per year but 59/mo or 650 per year!!! I think that is partly why XSF is objecting, because it is such a large fee.
However, Open Collective explained that is due to XSF using Wise or PayPal as a payout option. If XSF switches to bank transfer, it will be only $10 per additional collective per month and that too only for collectives that receive money in that month.
I think we should first relay this new information to XSF and see if they are willing to continue fiscal hosting after all, before trying for this. I'm going to write to them from the Prav side and update here when we hear back. This is not about Prav or Durare but about having a good fiscal hosting option for XMPP projects in general, including new ones that may come up in future (eg. Convo). A workaround is for Prav to "host" them as projects under their collective (and the plan is for Prav to itself become a fiscal host when possible) but again this will be simple only for projects based in India.
I am okay with Durare being fiscally hosted under Prav anyway to save XSF that additional $10 fee. However, I feel we should not confuse the issue and first push for XSF to continue the fiscal hosting programme for other projects too (at least in principal). Hence, I am agreeing to the proposal from this end but suggest waiting to hear from XSF before reaching out from Prav. Since the voting process will take some time, hopefully we'll have more clarity on this by the time the poll reaches the Prav side.
Buster KeatonSun 28 Sep 2025 5:19PM
At present it seems, merging under Prav is the best option, OSC charges 10% host fees, and Librepay is not well supported in India.
Pirate PraveenWed 24 Dec 2025 11:32AM
Prav has agreed https://codema.in/d/mVzNbtHy/board-meeting-minutes-16th-october-2025 now we need to check if XSF also agree and if yes, ask OSC to make the move.
Pirate PraveenSun 28 Dec 2025 5:55AM
As discussed in Prav channels, the current plan of XSF is to stop fiscal hosting entirely. We have asked XSF, from Prav side, to reconsider this decision. But we need to think of a backup plan. I think Open Collective Europe may be a better option if they can fund our Hetzner account directly.
Pirate PraveenSun 28 Dec 2025 5:59AM
Hosting with XSF helped reduce wire transfer fee by batching with Prav. We will lose that advantage when we move to different fiscal host, especially since our donations remained small.
Pirate Praveen ·Thu 25 Sep 2025 8:46PM
Once we agree, we need to request Prav, then Prav need to request XSF.