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Sat 9 Nov 2019 7:29AM

Statement on the Babri Masjid judgement today

PP Pirate Praveen Public Seen by 168

We could just collect good responses from people and echo it (with links) and add our own perspective.

"Listen. Don't despair. We knew this was coming.
This was a purely political judgment made by those in power. It does not change the truth. Truth is eternal and truth always wins.
Whatever has happened, has happened. We know we are right
Let's not be defeated or lose hope because if we do, we are giving them exactly what they want.
Democratic ideals may have taken a beating today but we'll rise again, provided we work towards doing so."

https://mastodon.social/@ParadoxicalPari/103106467727994002

Update: Moved to Associates sub group https://codema.in/d/3nO7zTXx/indian-pirates-statement-on-ayodhya-verdict-of-9th-november-2019-moved-from-main-group-

PP

Pirate Praveen Sat 9 Nov 2019 2:52PM

MJS

michael john sinclair. Sat 9 Nov 2019 3:34PM

Jeruselam 2.0 ^ its my mountain, no its my mountain, fuck all of them, the mountain belongs to nature and not Humanity.

PP

Poll Created Mon 11 Nov 2019 11:07AM

Indian Pirates Statement on Ayodhya Verdict of 9th November 2019 Closed Mon 18 Nov 2019 10:03AM

Outcome
by Pirate Praveen Mon 18 Nov 2019 5:34PM

Since we don't have a consensus here, I will move this proposal to Associates sub group. Moved proposal to https://codema.in/d/3nO7zTXx/indian-pirates-statement-on-ayodhya-verdict-of-9th-november-2019-moved-from-main-group-

We endorse these reactions from a diverse group of people who are outraged by this judgement.

"Listen. Don't despair. We knew this was coming.

This was a purely political judgment made by those in power. It does not change the truth. Truth is eternal and truth always wins.

Whatever has happened, has happened. We know we are right

Let's not be defeated or lose hope because if we do, we are giving them exactly what they want.

Democratic ideals may have taken a beating today but we'll rise again, provided we work towards doing so."

Source https://mastodon.social/@ParadoxicalPari/103106467727994002

"Even though I expected this, my heart breaks. Also the amount of money that will now go into the construction of an ostentatious Temple. Just so tired of tax-payer's money being spent on statues, and temples, rather than malnutrition, stabilisation of economy, and climate control."

Source https://mastodon.social/@Paridhigupta/103106490733364276

"what IF masjid was not demolished ..based on today's judgement would SC have asked govt to demolish it to build the mandir ..."

"what if people start destroying mosques that were built on previous hindu structures, does that then become legal based on today’s judgment? Does that mean destruction of some of our iconic monuments is completely legal?"

Source https://mastodon.social/[[@Pandey_priyanka]]/103107004974127510

"The main beneficiaries of the Supreme Court's verdict on Saturday are organically linked to the main accused in the crime of demolishing the mosque. And that's not good for India."

Source https://thewire.in/communalism/supreme-court-ayodhya-babri-masjid-ram-janambhoomi

"Even if we agree that Babri mosque was built after demolishing a temple, how far back in history do we go? Do we check if the earlier temple was built after demolishing a stupa? Or someone's house?

This is a property dispute, not historical investigation into the first structure that was ever built at the site."

Source https://mastodon.social/[[@h_tejas]]/103108088242933609

To my mind, the court's mandate is not to rule in the interest of peace. It is to rule in the interest of justice. Ensuring peace is the mandate of law enforcement.

Source https://mastodon.social/@MitaliSaran/103112402716560688

Does it appear as if a majoritarian judgement was delivered within a majoritarian ethos to please the majority? Does it set a precedent? We have an ancient history when entire cities have been built on the ruins of other cities. (Delhi was razed and rebuilt seven times).

Source https://www.hindustantimes.com/analysis/the-ayodhya-verdict-is-this-justice-i-ask-myself/story-krRBa0Sn6kJxTZdFFF5XEP.html

Roses are Red

Verdicts are Saffron

You can't escape

They'll come for everyone

Source https://mastodon.social/@SSangita/103109564886329416

So three findings emerge:

1. That the 1949 installation of idols was illegal

2. That the 1992 demolition was illegal.

3. No evidence that Babri masjid was build by demolishing a temple.

Who is the wronged and who is the wrongdoer again?

Source https://mstdn.social/@prasanna_s/103107498062351871

Orijit Sen says it all.

जिसकी लाठी उसकी भैंस

Might is right.

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Source https://mstdn.social/@KavitaKrishnan/103108483828905988

Two mins silence for those who think BJP now is going to start talk about development and economy!

Source https://mastodon.social/@CZubair/103108994459686767

To liberals who think they're safe,

First they came for the Communists

And I did not speak out

Because I was not a Communist

Then they came for the Socialists

And I did not speak out

Because I was not a Socialist

Then they came for the trade unionists

And I did not speak out

Because I was not a trade unionist

Then they came for the Jews

And I did not speak out

Because I was not a Jew

Then they came for me

And there was no one left

To speak out for me.

--Martin Niemöller

Source: https://mastodon.social/@gaikwadshogun/103109208682346983

Results

Results Option % of points Voters
Agree 75.0% 6 DU TMB PV V PB PP
Abstain 12.5% 1 A
Disagree 12.5% 1 MS
Block 0.0% 0  
Undecided 0% 157 DU AS MK SK NV BC FGP AR AK AG AKS RD J KAK SK S MKT NAJ PS AA

8 of 165 people have participated (4%)

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Pirate Praveen
Agree
Mon 11 Nov 2019 11:09AM

It is important we stand up for justice today

PV

Pirate Vik
Block
Mon 11 Nov 2019 11:47AM

https://mastodon.social/@gaikwadshogun/103109208682346983 I think supporting this comment breaches article 2 of our constitution, we should not hold out any social group and encourage them to walk around with their heads hanging in shame

PV

Pirate Vik
Agree
Mon 11 Nov 2019 12:37PM

https://mastodon.social/@gaikwadshogun/103109208682346983 I think supporting this comment breaches article 2 of our constitution, we should not hold out any social group and encourage them to walk around with their heads hanging in shame

Have edited the proposal to remove this comment and changed my vote to agree

PB

Pirate Bady
Agree
Tue 12 Nov 2019 7:35AM

i agree with @vik@hamara's opinion that forcing someone to feel ashamed is anti-constitutional. agreeing with the proposal to publish the statements since it's removed.

A

Akshay
Abstain
Tue 12 Nov 2019 10:17AM

I've not had enough time to read about Ayodhya, Babri Masjid, etc. From my initial impressions, I agree with the idea that democracies should protect everyone and not just the majority. But I won't vote on anything related to Ayodhya/Babri Masjid till I'm better educated. (And that's a hard thing to do given that the events in question happened before I was born, even)

DU

Sharmishtha
Agree
Tue 12 Nov 2019 3:46PM

i wish to stand and make my voice heard using the privileges that most are being denied. the opinion I present today, is on their behalf.

PP

Pirate Praveen Mon 11 Nov 2019 11:58AM

@vik@hamara I'm open to removing it https://mastodon.social/@majchowdhury/103107012102323978 let's just wait a day or two to hear what others think about it too.

DU

Deleted User Sun 17 Nov 2019 4:00PM

Are we going to formulate our own response. Or are we going to quote the thoughts that people shared on social media?

PP

Pirate Praveen Sun 17 Nov 2019 5:08PM

Quoting is fine I think as they cover important points, but if someone wants to write our own statement that is fine too. Since we don't have a consensus here, we will move the proposal to associates sub group after the poll closes.

People voting here don't need to agree to anything to participate in the main group, can be used to get wider input and sometimes we get consensus here itself but cannot let random people block decisions. But associate sub group is for people who publicly state their agreement to Indian Pirates constitution and if we can't get consensus even there, we move to permanent members group that is the final level.

PP

Pirate Praveen Thu 21 Nov 2019 5:08PM

We got consensus in Associates group and we can now publish it in our website.

PB

Pirate Bady Fri 22 Nov 2019 4:32PM

statement published on the website: https://pirates.org.in/statements/ayodhya-verdict