COllaborative DEcision MAking (codema.in)

FSCI Services accounting

Kannan V M Tue 14 Dec 2021 7:07PMPublicSeen by 178

As part of 2023 funding campaign, the financial records of FSCI services has been consolidated.

Currently data is available for poddery.com (including the monitor), lists.fsci.in, codema.in, meet.fsci.in and videos.fsci.in. The exchange rates are taken as an average for the year of the invoice and whenever possible average for the month the invoice is generated. services running on old codema and monitor server are migrated to other existing and servers and old servers were discarded.

Services


Yearly report

All amounts are in rupee. git.fosscommunity.in is not tracked because its hosting is now sponsored by Infomaniak.

Balance after 2022

Funding Campaign 2022: 23050

Poddery: -51721.31

Codema: -9737.82

Meet: 19356.41

Videos: -4419.73

Lists: 4794.42

Total: -18678.03


2022 Income & Expense

Expense for 2022: 56976.95

Income for 2022: 48944.06

Deficit for 2022: 8032.89


Expected Costs for 2023

Poddery: 37000

Codema+Meet+Wiki: 8000

Videos: 9000

Lists: 6000

Total: 60000


Expected Costs for 2024

Poddery: 40000

Codema+Meet+Wiki: 9000

Videos: 11000

Lists: 7000

Total: 67000


Campaign Target

2023 Campaign Target: 145678.03

After rounding off: 150000


Conclusion

We are in a negative balance of -18678.03 ₹ in total. We need to set the campaign target considering the present negative balance and annual expense. For two years, the campaign target will be 150,000 ₹ (1842.64 $/1701.84 €).

Those who want to donate, please visit https://fsci.in/donate/

NB: The post will be updated with getting more data.

Pirate PraveenWed 23 Mar 2022 1:34PM

I would prefer to keep diaspora running since it has many public and historic data, so a scaled down server will be better than a complete shut down, so I propose to shutdown matrix and xmpp and scale down it to a smaller vm (if we can get a static export of diaspora and setup a simple static archive, that will also suffice).

Who would like to join me in the poddery fundraiser campaign?

opt-in by Ravi Dwivedi Closed Mon 4 Apr 2022 7:00PM

As Praveen's comment above reminds us that poddery is in trouble, and if we don't get funds, we might need to shut it down. So, we should collaborate and launch a fundraising campaign for poddery.

For those who do not know-- poddery.com provides chat services XMPP and matrix, and diaspora service.

Results

Karthik
No
Wed 30 Mar 2022 10:50AM

I promote P2P protocols. i am no longer interested in distributed web

Pirate Bady
Yes
Thu 31 Mar 2022 4:43AM

it'll be a good idea to make a list of actionable items. for eg. some of us have volunteered for the following:

Ravi DwivediThu 31 Mar 2022 1:54PM

Who will drive it? I think Subin wanted to drive the campaign. I can help @Subin Siby .

Ravi DwivediSat 2 Apr 2022 11:25AM

@Pirate Bady @Subin Siby When should we meet?

Ravi DwivediSat 2 Apr 2022 11:40AM

@Kannan V M what is the status?

Vinay KeshavaSun 3 Apr 2022 5:26PM

https://prosody.im/doc/modules/mod_motd
https://prosody.im/doc/modules/mod_welcome

This is one of the way to send default or welcome messages to users through prosody config
so that users will be reminded to pay for the services.

I think diaspora has this option too, don't know haven't used diaspora much.

https://matrix-org.github.io/synapse/latest/servernotices.html
not sure if this feature is available now

https://matrix-org.github.io/synapse/latest/admin_api/server_notices.html

These options can be used to send messages to users to donate to run the services

Kannan V MFri 15 Apr 2022 2:03PM

Wiki is now being migrated to meet server. @Manu Krishnan T V has shared the data, bady has pointed the wiki domain to server and now @Ranjithsiji will do the migration and updation.

Life is TetrisSun 1 May 2022 10:26AM

Is channeling funding to some non-individual entity required? Some of you have been footing bills, and you can't really overstate the costs so there is no trust problem in transferring contributions to your respective individiual accounts.

Pirate BadyFri 3 Jun 2022 4:22PM

a couple of good things have happened after the last meeting:

  1. codema.in has been upgraded to v2.13.1, thanks to @Akshay.

  2. wiki.fsci.in has been migrated from shared server to the meet server (the one which runs meet.fsci.in), thanks to @Ranjithsiji.

codema upgrade was blocked due to some database migration issues (which are mentioned in detail in the above link). now that we're on the latest stable available on docker hub, we can proceed with migrating codema.in to the meet server to reduce expenses as discussed before in the thread. if anyone is interested, let's talk in the codema maintainers matrix room: https://matrix.to/#/#codema:poddery.com

Pirate PraveenTue 7 Jun 2022 4:54PM

@Jyothis Jagan contributed 3000 and @Subin Siby contributed 5000 today. @Kannan V M pooled 2680 from friends last month. Any volunteers to update this on website?

Pirate PraveenThu 23 Feb 2023 5:20PM

@Kannan V M @Ravi Dwivedi @Vinay Keshava looks like the stripe link for donation is not working as reported by @Snehal Shekatkar . We will have to talk to Nagarjuna and setup a Razorpay link like we did for camp.

Kannan V MSun 26 Feb 2023 7:12AM

Split-up for FOSS United fund spending

Sruthi's bank account

Handles: poddery.com, monitor.fsci.in (deleted)

Current balance for poddery+monitor: -51721

Expected expense for poddery in 2023: 37000

Funding recieved in 2022: 23050

Amount needed to cover negative balance and 2023 expenses: 51721+37000-23050 = 65671

Kiran's bank account

(meet.fsci.in details are not covered in this report because it had a different campaign for itself and the current funding pretty much covers for more than 2 years.)

Handles: meet.fsci.in, videos.fsci.in, codema.in (migrated)

Current balance for codema.in: -9738

Current balance for videos.fsci.in: -4419

Expected expense for videos.fsci.in in 2023: 9000

Amount needed to cover negative balance and 2023 expenses: 9738+4419+9000 = 23157

Abhijith's bank account

Handles: mail.fsci.in

Current balance for mail.fsci.in: 4794

Expected expense for mail.fsci.in in 2023: 6000

Amount needed to cover 2023 expenses: 6000-4794 = 1206

Total amount needed to cover 2023

Total for all bank accounts = 65671+23157+1206 = 90034

Rs. 34 is rounded off (on sruthi's account) to get a total of 90000.

Payment split up:

Sruthi: 65671-34 = 65637

Kiran: 23157

Abhijith: 1206

Note: Rs. 3000 has to be given to Kelvin from 2023's poddery expenses (from sruthi's account) since the hosting charges for January 2023 was spent from his account.

Pirate PraveenSun 19 Mar 2023 1:35PM

We have to write a blog post about FOSS United grant, any volunteers?

Pirate PraveenFri 13 Dec 2024 10:32PM

@Kannan V M @Karthik I think we should add an option for people outside India in donate page - they can give to our Hetzner account (Sajith does that for Prav).

Pirate PraveenThu 23 Jan 2025 11:44AM

@perry previous proposal to FOSS United.

Hi Free Software Community of India, Thanks you for applying for the FOSS grant. Your application has been submitted successfully. Give us some time to review it and get back to you.

Project: Free Software Community of India services

Source Code: https://git.fosscommunity.in/community

About Free Software Community of India services: We are running privacy respecting, free software, collaboration and communication services free for general public. Running these services require a lot of time, effort and skill, and cannot be expected from everyone. We believe access to free software services is paramount for free software promotion. To make sure general public has free access to online free software services, including social media, we host free software applications. The current services we provide include, Diaspora - social networking service similar to facebook - https://poddery.com Matrix - real time chat similar to WhatsApp (newer protocol) - https://poddery.com XMPP - another real time chat similar to WhatsApp (older protocol) - https://poddery.com GitLab - git based collaboration platform similar to github - https://git.fosscommunity.in Loomio - collaborative decision making and discussion forum similar to discourse - https://codema.in Peertube - video sharing platform similar to YouTube - https://videos.fsci.in/ Jitsi meet - video conferencing similar to zoom, skype or google meet - https://meet.fsci.in/ Mediawiki - editable webpages for documentation - https://wiki.fsci.in/ Mailing list - email based groups similar to Google Groups and email aliases - https://lists.fsci.in/ Except for GitLab instance we host, which is sponsored by Infomaniak (https://www.infomaniak.com), we handle the cost for maintaining these services through crowdfunding campaigns. All amount collected will go only for server and domain charges, the server maintenance is volunteer activity by FSCI members. We, Free Software Community of India (https://fsci.in), is a community dedicated to free software advocacy and defending digital privacy. We are not a registered organization or a non profit company, rather a group of volunteers interested in free software. We conduct various events to bring more people to free software community (https://camp.fsci.in) and host free software services.

Current Traction: We are running privacy respecting, free software, collaboration and communication services free for public for more than 9 years. The first service we started, diaspora, still has 1163 users who has used service at least once in last two years. Statistics of individual projects: poddery.com (diaspora, xmpp): 1163 users poddery.com (matrix): 576 users codema.in: 268 new users since we started self hosting lists.fsci.in: 2010 email addresses, 43 mailing lists and 14 domains/subdomains videos.fsci.in: 52 videos locally git.fosscommunity.in: 726 projects, 8,588 users (including some spam accounts that needs cleanup), 41 groups. Repositories to handle these services: https://git.fosscommunity.in/community https://gitlab.com/fsci

Requested grant amount: 100000

Grant Objective: To pay hosting charges for services FSCI runs.

Budget: We estimated ₹ 150,000 (1.5 lakh INR) for running all the services for next two years and after clearing our negative balances (loaned by members). You can see our budget discussions here - https://codema.in/d/VkCybRTY/fsci-services-accounting.

Milestones: To run existing services with minimum downtime.

Kannan V MSat 6 Dec 2025 10:54AM

My payments for poddery server since June 2024.

Deleted accountTue 16 Dec 2025 9:04AM

I just joined here to speak about Grants, and servers. Was speaking to @kishy & @Pirate Praveen about it over on XMPP just now. Basically, I am suggesting, and if this is possible.

I am a client on netcup, a better alternative to hetzner. Been there for around 2 years now. They are better in every term I have seen and community states about Hetzner.

I am asking, if we can move servers? I can provide few server codes (discount codes) for having one or 2 months free for servers.

Kannan V MSun 14 Jun 2026 3:53PM

Since Navodaya's 12A/B registration is rejected, FOSSUnited is suggesting that the proposed grant could be directly used to pay the bills for services. How should we proceed with that?