Kerala schools choose proprietary Google suite for online teaching
Update:
Letter published at https://fsci.in/blog/letter-to-kerala-teachers/
Follow up at https://codema.in/d/PeEx5bHZ/created-a-new-group-for-free-software-in-education/12
Origianal post:
We are drafting an open letter to teachers at
https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/openletterfsci
We hope to get support from some teachers and then ask the govt to allow teachers to choose Free Software for their classes.
We are meeting tonight at 10 to work on this letter. Join the meeting at http://meet.fsci.in/letter-to-teachers
Draft: Title: Open Letter to Teachers of Kerala
(From Free Software Communty of India)
TLDR: Google's free-of-cost offer of G-Suite to Kerala schools is a scheme to make more customers for G-Suite, retain their monopoly power in the ad business and search engines. Dependence on Google can lead to massive surveillance ([and its chilling effects](https://socialcooling.com)), losing our political agency to Google, [and many others](https://www.gnu.org/proprietary/malware-google.html). We urge educational institutes to reject this offer and switch to [free software](https://ravidwivedi.in/posts/free-sw/) (freedom-respecting software or swatantra software) for all the activities. For network-based services, we urge institutes to self-host free software powered services. With self-hosting and using free software, the software and the data will be under the institute's control.
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KITE announces G-Suite in classrooms
We are deeply saddened to learn that [The Kerala Infrastructure and Technology for Education (KITE) has rolled out the G-Suite platform](https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/kerala/kite-rolls-out-g-suite-platform-for-online-classes-in-kerala/article35217726.ece) for all the online classroom activities in schools in Kerala. G-Suite platform is a collection of Google services like, Google Meet, Google Drive, Gmail, Google Docs etc. Read the official announcement [here](https://kite.kerala.gov.in/KITE/itsadmin/uploads/docs/604.pdf).
Promise of Privacy vs Reality
KITE also announced, "No sensitive individual details of students or teachers will be shared. KITE will have the master control of data uploaded in the platform." Providing Google accounts with a randomized student and teacher ID won't protect their privacy from Google because [Google collects a lot of data on each user](https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/mar/28/all-the-data-facebook-google-has-on-you-privacy), and it can easily combine all this data to deanonymize students and teachers.
Google uses cross-site tracking: When you browse from site to site, you’re often followed by trackers that collect data on where you’ve been and what you’ve done, using scripts, widgets or even tiny, invisible images embedded on the sites you visit. Take, for example, those social share buttons embedded on many websites. Sites may choose to include those buttons to gain useful analytics about their content, but the buttons also send data back to the social platforms. Sometimes, that makes sense, allowing you to share content on other social platforms. But often, that data also ends up being used behind the scenes to target advertising or create user profiles.
Google Analytics is a web analytics service offered by Google that tracks and reports users visiting on a website. In order to block Google Analytics, users are required to use extra protection in their browser, for example, by using ublock-origin add-on. This leads us to ask KITE if they can turn off Google Analytics in the G-Suite.
How are ads shown by Google different from the ads you see on cable TV?
The way Google shows ads is fundamentally different to the way cable TV or radio shows ads. Google uses user's personal data to target ads while the TV, radio or newspaper ads are not based on user's personal data as the same ad is being watched by everyone reading the newspaper or watching the same channel on TV. Since, the ads that Google provides are based on user's behavior, search history, webpages they visited, their emails, their purchases, articles they read etc. and therefore have a lot more power to influence the users.
This offer by Google is just a scheme to gain more users (captive audience to whom they can target ads) which will give Google a lot of data on students. This will reinforce the dominance of Google in the ad-business. They already use their dominance to eliminate the competition. Google uses this data to manipulate their users with ads. A company with so much data as Google can [even influence elections](https://aibrt.org/downloads/EPSTEINandRobertson2013-DemocracyatRisk-APS-summary-5-13.pdf). For example, Facebook is a company with a [lot of data on its users](https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/mar/28/all-the-data-facebook-google-has-on-you-privacy), which was used by Cambridge Analytica [to influence elections](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facebook%E2%80%93CambridgeAnalyticadatascandal) a few years ago.
As an example, Google's search can amplify the voices of people it agrees with and dampen those of people it disagrees with, effectively manipulating the public opinion.
Why Google is giving it for free-of-cost?
Google's free of cost offer is similar to Jio's free-of-cost offer of internet connection, which later started charging money. As a result of Jio's offer, Vodafone and Idea had to merge because they couldn't compete, and we are left with a lesser number of mobile service providers. There is no guarantee that Google's services will remain free-of-cost forever. They can use their position in the educational suite provider or videoconferencing to eliminate competition and then raise prices at a later stage. Google Meet might become a dominant platform for video calls, eliminating all the competition like Zoom. (Note that Zoom is a nonfree software which we don't endorse in any way, it was mentioned just as an example).
Effects of massive surveillance
Massive surveillance has pretty adverse effects on the society and individuals. What's at stake is our political liberty, freedom of speech, privacy, security, social equity,
- Statistics show that [lack of privacy leads to a population who is afraid to ask questions or educate themselves](https://theintercept.com/2016/04/28/new-study-shows-mass-surveillance-breeds-meekness-fear-and-self-censorship/), even if the issues are important and the motives are pure.
- Massive surveillance has [adverse effects on mental health](https://theprint.in/theprint-valuead-initiative/surveillance-a-massive-challenge-for-mental-health-so-india-needs-robust-data-protection-laws/512430/). These include insomnia, social anxiety, depression, hypervigilance, specific situational type phobias, post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD), agoraphobia, obsessive-compulsive disorder (OCD), and many other issues.
- Surveillance puts us at risk of abuses by those in power, even if we’re doing nothing wrong at the time of surveillance.
We’d like to quote some points from this excellent resource about effects of massive surveillance at [Social Cooling](https://socialcooling.com).
- “If you feel you are being watched, you change your behavior.” This could limit your desire to take risks or exercise free speech. Over the long term, these ‘chilling effects’ could ‘cool down’ society. Rating systems can create unwanted incentives, and increase pressure to conform to a bureaucratic average. When doctors in New York were given scores, [this had unexpected results](https://science.slashdot.org/story/15/07/22/1752209/giving-doctors-grades-has-backfired). Doctors that tried to help advanced cancer patients had a higher mortality rate, which translated into a lower score. Doctors that didn’t try to help were rewarded with high scores, even though their patients died prematurely.
- People are starting to realize that this ‘digital reputation’ could limit their opportunities:
- [You may not get that dream job if your data suggests you’re not a very positive person](https://www.theguardian.com/science/2016/sep/01/how-algorithms-rule-our-working-lives).
- [If you are a woman, you may see fewer ads for high paying jobs](https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/jul/08/women-less-likely-ads-high-paid-jobs-google-study).
- [If you have “bad friends” on social media, you might pay more for your loan](https://trustingsocial.com/).
- [Tinder’s algorithms might not show you attractive people if you are not desirable yourself](https://www.fastcompany.com/3054871/whats-your-tinder-score-inside-the-apps-internal-ranking-system).
- [If you return goods to the store often, this will be used against you](https://apprissretail.com/).
- [What you post on social media may influence your odds of getting a tax audit](https://news.slashdot.org/story/17/08/29/2333209/the-irs-decides-who-to-audit-by-data-mining-social-media).
- [Your health insurer may collect intimate data about your lifestyle, race and more](https://www.propublica.org/article/health-insurers-are-vacuuming-up-details-about-you-and-it-could-raise-your-rates).
What's the solution?
We need to control the software that we use. Freedom-respecting software means users have freedom to run, study, modify, share the software. If a software respects all these freedoms, we call it free software. Free Software is a matter of liberty, not price. To emphasize that point, we also call it swatantra software. Example of free software are Firefox, VLC, Thunderbird, Ubuntu etc. If any of the above-mentioned freedoms is lacking, we call it nonfree/proprietary software. Examples of nonfree software are- WhatsApp, Microsoft Windows, Google Meet, Adobe Reader etc. For internet-based services like videoconferencing, online file storage, emails etc., the users (in this case, KITE or Kerala Government) must have the freedom to offer the same services on their own servers. This practice is known as self-hosting. These freedoms ensure that the users control the software and data. With proprietary software, we are at the mercy of the developer of the software, for example, in G-Suite, we are at the mercy of Google.
As an example, The British East India company created railway tracks, roads and bridges free-of-cost, and it needs no mention of what happened after that. So dependence usually results in enslavement or exploitation.
People might think that they are not programmers, and they don't need the freedom to study and modify the program. But we exercise the freedom to inspect and modify all the time, for example, we call plumber to fix our water taps, electrician for electricity-related problems, mechanics for repairing our bikes, cars etc. Similarly, individually or collectively (for example, KITE or Kerala Government), we must be able to fix or adapt software with help of companies like Infosys, Wipro etc.
G-Suite software is nonfree software and so users don't control it, and [educational institutes should use only free software](https://fsf.org.in/article/education/).
A free software named [Tux Paint](http://directory.fsf.org/wiki/TuxPaint) used at VHSS Irimpanam school, Kerala, where 11 and 12 years old students completely translated the program's interface to Malayalam, and added pictures of local flowers along with recordings of Malayalam pronunciations of their name to the program's library. While doing this, they exercised their freedom to learn how the program works and modify the program, which demonstrates that even non programmers or children, [can actually directly improve software](https://www.gnu.org/education/edu-software-tuxpaint.html) when software freedom is granted.
Scribus is a cross-platform (works on GNU/Linux, Microsoft Windows, macOS, etc) Free Software for Desktop Publishing (replacement for software like Adobe PageMaker and InDesign) which initially only had support for Latin languages. It’s the developers of a community project funded by the Oman Government, called HOST-Oman (House of Open Source Technologies - Oman), who introduced support for Non-Latin languages with Complex Text Layout in Scribus. And as a part of this development, Malayalam also got supported in Scribus. So we can see anyone improving a software is beneficial to all the users even if they don't improve it directly. This enabled [Janayugom and Deshabhimani newspapers to shift to 100% Free Software for their publishing](https://poddery.com/posts/4691002).
Replacement Software:
Following are the free software that can be used in classrooms and should replace their proprietary counterparts:
- Operating system: GNU/Linux distros like Debian, Ubuntu.
- Online Classes: Jitsi, BigBlueButton.
- Instant Messenger: Element, Quicksy, Conversations.
- Uploading videos: PeerTube
- E-learning platform: Moodle, BBB
- Recording Lectures: OBS
- Sharing notes, lecture videos etc. : Nextcloud, Lufi
- Digital writing pad: Xournal
- Document editor: LibreOffice, Cryptpad, Etherpad, EtherCalc, OnlyOffice
- Form filling: KoBoToolbox, NextCloud Forms — Disroot provides NextCloud Forms.
Call for Action
We would like to remind the teachers from Kerala [how they stood for Software Freedom and became a model for the entire world](http://www.space-kerala.org/files/Story%20of%20SPACE%20and%20IT%40School.pdf). They resisted offers of free of cost training by Microsoft and Intel. They created a custom GNU/Linux distribution with software they need in schools, and they provided technical support and training to teachers across Kerala. They can do that again and lead the world in this changed scenario as well. We urge teachers from Kerala to join us in this [campaign to talk to KITE and push for adoption of free software based learning platforms for online classes](https://fsf.org.in/news/proprietary-apps-in-schools/).
Please sign this letter if you support this campaign.
We add a kobo form: Individual or organization?
Name: , Email(we won't publish), Phone number (Not mandatory) and we won't publish phone number: Public comment (will be added to the letter): , Anything that you would like to discuss with us, Would you join us in the campaign to organize teachers (we will contact you)?
Please don't hesistate to talk to us if you need any technical help in adopting free software for teaching.
Updates: 27 August 2021.
Mention control of data also as a benefit of self hosting.
Mention Deshabhimani along with Janayugom.
Add link to FSF India's letter to KITE.
Added TLDR at the top.
Updated Tux Paint section as commented by Irfan https://codema.in/d/u3EDIs4x/kerala-schools-choose-proprietary-google-suite-for-online-teaching/29 .
Update TLDR, add more customers for G-Suite, suggested by muzirian
change tldr advice and suggest to recommend
rephrased section about tux paint
Poll Created Sat 24 Jul 2021 12:33PM
Would you like to help in educating and organizing teachers to demand Free Software for teaching? Closed Sat 21 Aug 2021 12:00PM
4 people volunteered here and some more people joined in xmpp/matrix groups. Interested people can join XMPP: fs-edu@groups.poddery.com and Matrix: #fs-edu:poddery.com
It was a demand from teachers that made choosing Free Software in school computers and curriculum. If we convince the teachers, we have a good chance to make Kerala a leader in Free Software powered online teaching as well. It'd require us to write an open letter and then talk to as many teachers as possible.
Results
Results | Option | Voters | |||
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Yes | 4 | |||
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Undecided | 222 |
4 of 226 people have participated (1%)
Ravi Dwivedi
Sat 24 Jul 2021 12:52PM
I'll join and try to show my concerns as a student. Though I am not from Kerala but arguments are still the same.
Ravi Dwivedi Sun 25 Jul 2021 8:23PM
Last date to comment: 5-August-2021
Draft:
Title: Open Letter to Teachers of Kerala
(From Free Software Communty of India)
KITE announces G-Suite in classrooms
TLDR: Google's free-of-cost offer of G-Suite to Kerala schools is a scheme to make more customers, retain their monopoly power in the ad business and search engines. Dependence on Google can lead to grave consequences like massive surveillance and its chilling effects, losing our political agency to Google etc. We advice the educational institutes to reject this offer and switch to free software instead for all the activities. For network-based services, we suggest institutes to self-host free software powered services.
We are deeply saddened to learn that [The Kerala Infrastructure and Technology for Education (KITE) has rolled out the G-Suite platform](https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/kerala/kite-rolls-out-g-suite-platform-for-online-classes-in-kerala/article35217726.ece) for all the online classroom activities in schools in Kerala. G-Suite platform is a collection of Google services like, Google Meet, Google Drive, Gmail, Google Docs etc. Official announcement [here](https://kite.kerala.gov.in/KITE/itsadmin/uploads/docs/604.pdf).
Promise of Privacy vs Reality
KITE also announced "No sensitive individual details of students or teachers will be shared. KITE will have the master control of data uploaded in the platform, says a KITE circular." Providing Google accounts with a randomized student and teacher ID won't protect their privacy from Google because Google collects a lot of data on each user and it can easily combine all this data to deanonymize students and teachers.
Google uses cross-site tracking: When you browse from site to site, you’re often followed by trackers that collect data on where you’ve been and what you’ve done, using scripts, widgets or even tiny, invisible images embedded on the sites you visit. Take, for example, those social share buttons embedded on many websites. Sites may choose to include those buttons to gain useful analytics about their content, but the buttons also send data back to the social platforms. Sometimes, that makes sense, allowing you to share content on other social platforms. But often, that data also ends up being used behind the scenes to target advertising or create user profiles.
Google Analytics is a web analytics service offered by Google that tracks and reports users visiting on a website. In order to block Google Analytics, users are required to use extra protection in their browser, for example, by using ublock-origin add-on. We would like to ask KITE if they can turn off Google Analytics in the G-Suite?
How are Google ads different from the ads you see on cable TV?
The way Google shows ads is fundamentally different to the way cable TV or radio shows ads. Google uses user's personal data to target ads while the TV, radio or newspaper ads are not based on user's personal data as the same ad is being watched by everyone reading the newspaper or watching the same channel on TV. Since, the ads that Google provides are based on user's behavior, search history, webpages they visited, their emails, their purchases, articles they read etc. and therefore have a lot more power to influence the users.
This offer by Google is just a scheme to gain more users (captive audience to whom they can target ads) which will give Google a lot of data on students. This will reinforce the dominance of Google in the ad-business. They already use their dominance to eliminate the competition. Google uses this data to manipulate their users with ads. A company with so much data as Google can [even influence elections](https://aibrt.org/downloads/EPSTEINandRobertson2013-Democracyat_Risk-APS-summary-5-13.pdf) . For example, Facebook is a company with a lot of data on its users which was used by Cambridge Analytica [to influence elections](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facebook%E2%80%93Cambridge_Analytica_data_scandal) a few years ago.
As an example, Google's search can amplify the voices of people its agrees with and dampening those of people it disagrees with, effectively manipulating the public opinion.
Why Google is giving it for free-of-cost?
Google's free of cost offer is similar to Jio's free-of-cost offer of internet connection which later started charging money. As a result of Jio's offer, Vodafone and Idea had to merge because they couldn't compete and we are left with lesser number of mobile service providers. There is no guarantee that Google's services will remain free-of-cost forever. They can use their position in the educational suite provider or videoconferencing to eliminate competition and then raise prices at a later stage. Google Meet might become a dominant platform for video calls eliminating all the competition like Zoom. (Note that Zoom is a nonfree software which we don't endorse in any way, it was mentioned just for an example)
Effects of massive surveillance
Massive surveillance has pretty adverse effects on the society and individuals. What's at stake is our political liberty, freedom of speech, privacy, security, social equity,
Statistics show that [lack of privacy leads to a population who is afraid to ask questions or educate themselves](https://theintercept.com/2016/04/28/new-study-shows-mass-surveillance-breeds-meekness-fear-and-self-censorship/), even if the issues are important and the motives are pure.
Massive surveillance has adverse effects on mental health. These include insomnia, social anxiety, depression, hypervigilance, specific situational type phobias, post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD), agoraphobia, obsessive-compulsive disorder (OCD), and many other issues.
Surveillance puts us at risk of abuses by those in power, even if we’re doing nothing wrong at the time of surveillance.
We’d like to quote some points from this excellent resource about effects of massive surveillance at [Social Cooling](https://socialcooling.com).
“If you feel you are being watched, you change your behavior.” This could limit your desire to take risks or exercise free speech. Over the long term these ‘chilling effects’ could ‘cool down’ society. Rating systems can create unwanted incentives, and increase pressure to conform to a bureaucratic average. When doctors in New York were given scores, [this had unexpected results](https://science.slashdot.org/story/15/07/22/1752209/giving-doctors-grades-has-backfired). Doctors that tried to help advanced cancer patients had a higher mortality rate, which translated into a lower score. Doctors that didn’t try to help were rewarded with high scores, even though their patients died prematurely.
People are starting to realize that this ‘digital reputation’ could limit their opportunities:
[You may not get that dream job if your data suggests you’re not a very positive person](https://www.theguardian.com/science/2016/sep/01/how-algorithms-rule-our-working-lives).
[If you are a woman you may see fewer ads for high paying jobs](https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/jul/08/women-less-likely-ads-high-paid-jobs-google-study).
[If you have “bad friends” on social media you might pay more for your loan](https://trustingsocial.com/).
[Tinder’s algorithms might not show you attractive people if you are not desirable yourself](https://www.fastcompany.com/3054871/whats-your-tinder-score-inside-the-apps-internal-ranking-system).
[If you return goods to the store often this will be used against you](https://apprissretail.com/).
[What you post on social media may influence your odds of getting a tax audit](https://news.slashdot.org/story/17/08/29/2333209/the-irs-decides-who-to-audit-by-data-mining-social-media).
-
[Your health insurer may collect intimate data about your lifestyle, race and more](https://www.propublica.org/article/health-insurers-are-vacuuming-up-details-about-you-and-it-could-raise-your-rates).
What's the solution?
We need to control the software that we use. Freedom-respecting software means users have freedom to run, study, modify, share the software. If a software respects all these freedoms, we call it free software. For internet-based services like videoconferencing, online file storage, emails etc. , the users (in this case, KITE or Kerala Government) must have the freedom to offer the same services on their own servers. This practice is known as self-hosting. These freedoms ensure that the users control the software. If any of these freedoms is lacking, we call it proprietary software and we are at the mercy of these companies like Google.
As an example, The British East India company created railway, roads and bridges free-of-cost and it needs no mention of what happened after that. So dependence usually results in enslavement or exploitation.
People might think that they are not programmers and they don't need the freedom to study and modify the program. But we do it all the time, for example, we call plumber to fix our water taps, electrician for electricity-related problems, mechanics for repairing our bikes, cars etc. Similarly, individually or collectively (for example, KITE or Kerala Government), we must be able to fix or adapt software with help of companies like Infosys, Wipro etc.
G-Suite software is nonfree software and so users don't control it and [educational institutes should use only free software](https://fsf.org.in/article/education/).
A free software named [Tux Paint](http://directory.fsf.org/wiki/TuxPaint) used at VHSS Irimpanam school, Kerala, where 11 and 12 years old students completely translated the program's interface to Malayalam, and added pictures of local flowers along with recordings of Malayalam pronunciations of their name to the program's library. While doing this, they exercised their freedom to learn how the program works and modify the program, which demonstrates that even non programmers or children, [can actually directly improve software](https://www.gnu.org/education/edu-software-tuxpaint.html) when software freedom is granted.
Scribus is a cross-platform (works on GNU/Linux, Microsoft Windows, macOS, etc) Free Software for Desktop Publishing (replacement for software like Adobe PageMaker and InDesign) which initially had support for latin languages only. It’s the developers of a community project funded by the Oman Government, called HOST-Oman (House of Open Source Technologies - Oman), who introduced support for Non-Latin languages with Complex Text Layout in Scribus. And as a part of this development, Malayalam also got supported in Scribus. So we can see anyone improving a software is beneficial to all the users even if they don't improve it directly. This enabled [Janayugom newspaper to shift to 100% Free Software for their publishing](https://poddery.com/posts/4691002).
Replacement Software:
Following are the free software that can be used in classrooms to replace their proprietary counterparts:
Operating system: GNU/Linux distros like Debian, Ubuntu.
Online Classes: Jitsi, BigBlueButton.
Instant Messenger: Element, Quicksy, Conversations.
Uploading videos: PeerTube
E-learning platform: Moodle, BBB
Recording Lectures: OBS
Sharing notes, lecture videos etc. : Nextcloud, Lufi
Digital writing pad: Xournal
Document editor: LibreOffice, Cryptpad, Etherpad, EtherCalc, OnlyOffice
Form filling: KoBoToolbox, NextCloud Forms — Disroot provides NextCloud Forms.
Call for Action
[We would like to remind the teachers from Kerala, how they stood for Software Freedom and became a model for the entire world](http://www.space-kerala.org/files/Story%20of%20SPACE%20and%20IT%40School.pdf). The teachers resisted offers of free of cost training by Microsoft and Intel. They created a custom GNU/Linux distribution with software they need in schools and they provided technical support and training to teachers across Kerala. They can do that again as well and lead the world in this changed scenario as well. We urge teachers from Kerala to join us in this campaign to talk to KITE and push for adoption of free software based learning platforms for online classes.
Please sign this letter if you support this campaign.
We add a kobo form: Individual or organization?
Name: , Email(we won't publish), Phone number (Not mandatory) and we won't publish phone number: Public comment (will be added to the letter): , Anything that you would like to discuss with us, Would you join us in the campaign to organize teachers (we will contact you)?
Please don't hesistate to talk to us if you need any technical help in adopting free software for teaching.
Additional info: not to be added in the article
Why we need to self-host?
Abhas' booklet is useful https://sovran.dev/abhas/selfhosted-education/src/branch/main/assets/free-software-for-edu-booklet.pdf
This link shared in FSCI group https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27939039 and this https://dataswamp.org/~solene/2021-07-23-why-selfhosting-is-important.html .
Pirate Praveen Wed 25 Aug 2021 7:38PM
I have made some editorial changes and moved it to thread desciption at top, so use that as final.
Ravi Dwivedi Sun 25 Jul 2021 8:24PM
I know that the formatting in the comment is not proper. I will correct in the morning/afternoon. I am too tired to do this right now.
Ravi Dwivedi Thu 29 Jul 2021 7:51AM
I just added this https://aibrt.org/downloads/EPSTEINandRobertson2013-Democracyat_Risk-APS-summary-5-13.pdf to -- Google can manipulate elections
Ravi Dwivedi Thu 29 Jul 2021 7:08PM
I have created a group for people who would like to campaign to push free software into education. You can join the group using XMPP: fs-edu@groups.poddery.com and Matrix: #fs-edu:poddery.com
Ravi Dwivedi Mon 2 Aug 2021 6:34PM
I have updated the last date to comment as 5-August-2021
Ravi Dwivedi Wed 4 Aug 2021 5:43PM
@Pirate Praveen Can you please add the XMPP and matrix address of the group in your description of "Would you like to help in educating and organizing teachers to demand Free Software for teaching?" so that the people interested in taking part can easily find the address of the group and join it?
Pirate Praveen · Sun 25 Jul 2021 3:46PM
Meeting Link: https://meet.fsci.in/openletterfsci (For tonight, 25 July 2021 10 PM)