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Thu 16 Mar 2017 4:20AM

Add to manifesto: Ban use of EVMs in elections and go back to paper ballots

PP Pirate Praveen Public Seen by 441

EVMs cannot be trusted because there is no way to verify the results. We have no idea how the software is written and even if the source code is available, we cannot verify if the same binary is running on the machine.

Update: At the minimum there has to be a paper trail which can be machine counted

Some discussion about technology and voting https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/jan/21/pirate-party-online-voting-4chan-government

PP

Poll Created Sun 19 Mar 2017 5:59AM

Add to manifesto: Restore trust in election process Closed Wed 29 Mar 2017 6:01AM

Outcome
by Pirate Praveen Tue 25 Apr 2017 5:21AM

We have consensus here and 4 permanent members voted for the proposal

Election process should be beyond doubt and being able to verify the correctness of vote count is a basic requirement. Current Electronic Voting Machines (EVMs) does not have a verifications mechanism and makes any kind of tampering impossible to detect. We have to blindly trust there was no tampering.

We will ensure that
a) all EVMs will have a Voter Verifiable Paper Trail (a receipt printed by the EVM which can be put into a ballot box)
or
b) go back to paper ballots
to restore trust in election process.

With a paper trail, voters can verify the correctness of their votes and a manual counting of these paper receipts will make it possible to detect any kind of tampering in case of doubt.

Results

Results Option % of points Voters
Agree 100.0% 7 DU JI SM PP DU PB PV
Abstain 0.0% 0  
Disagree 0.0% 0  
Block 0.0% 0  
Undecided 0% 127 AS MK SK NV BC FGP AR AK AG AKS RD J KAK SK S MKT NAJ PS AA SA

7 of 134 people have participated (5%)

PP

Pirate Praveen
Agree
Sun 19 Mar 2017 6:01AM

yes, trust in election process is required for democracy and being able to verify results is critical in that.

PB

Pirate Bady
Agree
Sun 19 Mar 2017 6:06AM

Paper trail seems to be a good idea!

SM

Shanavas M
Agree
Sun 19 Mar 2017 6:11AM

Great idea

DU

[deactivated account]
Agree
Tue 21 Mar 2017 5:19AM

If not ban, atleast a paper trail would be better for accountability

MK

Manoj Karingamadathil Thu 16 Mar 2017 4:40AM

പൊതുജനത്തിന് സംശയമുള്ള സ്ഥിതിക്ക് സർക്കാർ മെഷിന്റെ ഡിസൈൻ പരസ്യമാക്കണം. കോഡ് സ്വതന്ത്രമായി പരിശോധിക്കുന്നതിനുള്ള സൗകര്യം പൊതുജനത്തിന് കൊടുക്കണം.
https://www.facebook.com/vu2swx/posts/10212531663232586?pnref=story

PP

Pirate Praveen Thu 16 Mar 2017 4:51AM

Translation: Since people have doubts about EVMs, govt should publish the EVM design. People should also be able to verify the source code.

As I said above, even if the source code is available, how do we know if the binary flashed into the machine is built from the same source code?

PP

Pirate Praveen Thu 16 Mar 2017 4:59AM

But yes, if the hardware design and software is available to public, we have a better chance of finding the backdoors/vulnerabilities.

AG

Alexander Gounder Thu 16 Mar 2017 5:58AM

I think there could be simpler solution, paper receipts printed after casting of vote which can be checked by the voter and dropped into a ballot box. If a candidate feels the EVM results are tampered he can ask for a manual recount.

This could furthered by printing to receipts, one for the paper ballot and the other for the voter to keep or give to his candidate for reference.

PP

Pirate Praveen Thu 16 Mar 2017 7:25AM

I don't think the receipts are a good idea, it will take away the secrecy. So just having a paper trail, that can be verified by the voter should be enough.

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