Proposal: Use xmpp as our primary and recommended chat option
Pirate Praveen Sat 18 Sep 2021 10:19AMPublicSeen by 88Matrix and XMPP are both good options by Free Software, self hostable, federated standards. But matrix federation has many practical implementation problems and sometimes messages take hours or even a few days at times to deliver across servers. Additionally xmpp is lighter on server resources and gives better privacy of userid in public groups by default. Another example, Disroot.org moved from matrix to xmpp completely. Thoughts?
AkshaySat 18 Sep 2021 4:02PM
Matrix has many nice features. XMPP is retro, in that sense. As long as matrix group remains, I will be happy to support a switch to xmpp as primary and recommended chat option.
Pirate PraveenSun 19 Sep 2021 6:31PM
We can start using fsci@groups.poddery.com as our main room and ask people using matrix to connect to it via the bridge
#xmpp_fsci_groups.poddery.com:matrix.org
Pirate PraveenSun 19 Sep 2021 6:31PM
We can add simpler local aliases too.
Move #fsci:poddery.com alias to the native xmpp room
proposal by Pirate Praveen Closed Sun 3 Oct 2021 9:00PM
1. #xmpp_fsci_groups.poddery.com:matrix.org should get #fsci:poddery.com,
2. rename the current main group to #fsci-old:matrix.org
3. put a notice to use the the #fsci:poddery.com and recommend joining via xmpp.
Results
| Results | Option | Votes | % of votes cast | % of eligible voters | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Agree | 1 | 50 | 0 | | |
| Abstain | 0 | 0 | 0 | ||
| Disagree | 1 | 50 | 0 | ||
| Block | 0 | 0 | 0 | ||
| Undecided | 227 | 99 |      |
Pirate Praveen
Sun 19 Sep 2021 9:02PM
This will help improve reliability when matrix federation breaks
Abraham Raji
Mon 20 Sep 2021 4:47AM
1 and 2 are fine. But I think instead of just recommending XMPP we can recommend both XMPP and Matrix and give a comparison of both so that everyone can decide how they wish to join the room.
Abraham RajiSun 19 Sep 2021 11:26PM
I agree that XMPP is a more reliable as a technology for delivering messages than matrix right now. But at the same time Matrix as a project is better funded and has seen a better adoption rate among technical and non-technical folks so to me it looks like matrix has a better chance at being a mainstream communication tool than XMPP. Maybe we can suggest both while stating the merits and demerits of each?
Pirate BadySat 2 Oct 2021 7:14PM
@Abraham Raji from matrix user's point of view, FSCI will be still there on matrix, they just have to join a new room (and optionally leave the existing room). other than that i don't think there will be any issues (pls let me know if i got it wrong). from maintainers point of view, users won't get any admin/mod privileges on the matrix side to control the room until the bridge is capable of it.
Pirate PraveenMon 31 Jan 2022 1:34PM
We moved to xmpp since 'xmpp -> matrix' was not very reliable. Recently I found out 'xmpp -> irc' is pretty good (There are two public biboumi bridge instances and xmpp users can use #channelname%irc.server.net@ircgw.chatterboxtown.us or #channelname%irc.server.net@irc.cheogram.com). So wondering if we should switch back to old matrix room (which is also bridged to irc) and recommend xmpp users to use irc bridge instead of matrix bridge. What do you all think?
Karthik ·Sat 18 Sep 2021 11:42AM
I agree with you. I too experience frequent federation sync issues in my chats & groups. But, does it mean we should sunset our matrix instance?
And disroot admins were unhappy with huge db / RAM space matrix occupies + the frequent maintainance . The difference in matrix & xmpp resource usage is very large.
I feel we should start a poll