Sat 18 Sep 2021 10:19AM

Proposal: Use xmpp as our primary and recommended chat option

PP Pirate Praveen Public Seen by 87

Matrix and XMPP are both good options by Free Software, self hostable, federated standards. But matrix federation has many practical implementation problems and sometimes messages take hours or even a few days at times to deliver across servers. Additionally xmpp is lighter on server resources and gives better privacy of userid in public groups by default. Another example, moved from matrix to xmpp completely. Thoughts?


Karthik Sat 18 Sep 2021 11:42AM

I agree with you. I too experience frequent federation sync issues in my chats & groups. But, does it mean we should sunset our matrix instance?

And disroot admins were unhappy with huge db / RAM space matrix occupies + the frequent maintainance . The difference in matrix & xmpp resource usage is very large.

I feel we should start a poll


Pirate Praveen Sat 18 Sep 2021 5:04PM

I don't think we should stop matrix service yet. We can look at that separately. Our concern is not the resource usage but reliability.


Pirate Praveen Sat 18 Sep 2021 5:12PM

Also even if a single person want to maintain a service we will let that person continue running it. So only if no one wants to maintain the matrix service, we have to think about stopping it.


Akshay Sat 18 Sep 2021 4:02PM

Matrix has many nice features. XMPP is retro, in that sense. As long as matrix group remains, I will be happy to support a switch to xmpp as primary and recommended chat option.


Pirate Praveen Sat 18 Sep 2021 5:09PM

The main idea is to recommend xmpp so people join via xmpp and give a warning about the bridge to people connecting via matrix. Currently people joining via xmpp pays the cost of bridge unreliability, this move could shift that to matrix users until bridge gets fixed. At least all people joining via xmpp will have a reliable experience.


Pirate Praveen Sun 19 Sep 2021 6:31PM

We can start using as our main room and ask people using matrix to connect to it via the bridge


Pirate Praveen Sun 19 Sep 2021 6:31PM

We can add simpler local aliases too.


Poll Created Sun 19 Sep 2021 9:01PM

Move alias to the native xmpp room Closed Sun 3 Oct 2021 9:00PM

1.  should get,

2. rename the current main group to

3. put a notice to use the the and recommend joining via xmpp.


Results Option % of points Voters
Agree 50.0% 1 PP
Abstain 0.0% 0  
Disagree 50.0% 1 AR
Block 0.0% 0  
Undecided 0% 227 AP V K RD VT VKJ HM AM NE D AB A S B NF S RV JKJ S N

2 of 229 people have participated (0%)


Pirate Praveen
Sun 19 Sep 2021 9:02PM

This will help improve reliability when matrix federation breaks


Abraham Raji
Mon 20 Sep 2021 4:47AM

1 and 2 are fine. But I think instead of just recommending XMPP we can recommend both XMPP and Matrix and give a comparison of both so that everyone can decide how they wish to join the room.

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