@Pirate Bady I have updated the poll to change it to basic principles instead of manifesto.

@vik@hamara i don't think the current proposal blocks us from acknowledging and addressing the issues introduced by the british rule. but i also think that we shouldn't be afraid of talking bitter truths just because it upsets a particular group. human rights should always be above religious sentiments.

@Pirate Bady I do not agree that the real method of breaking up the cast system is to destroy the religious notions it was founded on. I think that's a highly ineffective way and misses the actual reality of how caste is intertwined in Indian culture rather than religion. Aligning with this statement prevents us from providing a more nuanced and accurate argument. Religious leaders telling their followers not to follow caste does not work, there are generational cultural practices that must be addressed and people require significant reeducation. Aligning to this statement gets none of that done and misses an opportunity to do something better in 2021 than 1939.

@Pirate Bady I do not agree that the real method of breaking up the cast system is to destroy the religious notions it was founded on. I think that's a highly ineffective way and misses the actual reality of how caste is intertwined in Indian culture rather than religion. Aligning with this statement prevents us from providing a more nuanced and accurate argument. Religious leaders telling their followers not to follow caste does not work, there are generational cultural practices that must be addressed and people require significant reeducation. Aligning to this statement gets none of that done and misses an opportunity to do something better in 2021 than 1939.

Though Ambedkar argues that caste doesn't have the same social significance among non-Hindus as it has among Hindus I'm not sure whether this argument has to be interpreted as it is today. My reading of Ambedkar's idea of positioning caste in the fundamentals of Hinduism is that Ambedkar wanted to provoke the thoughts of the followers and make them question the fundamentals of the society including (and starting from) religion. I don't think Ambedkar would have meant to say that religion leads to caste. Rather what Ambedkar said is that destroying religion leads to destruction of caste. And there's a very important difference between those two ways of putting it. It's that destruction of religion necessitates replacement of religious thinking with a different kind of thinking (probably one that's based on equality, reason, etc) and that in turn leads to destruction of caste.

I think there are several reasons for Indian Pirates to work to eliminate the bad ways of thinking religiously (and to replace those with scientific temper, etc). There probably are also reasons to utilize the good of religion. I think it will be impossible for Indian Pirates to agree on whether we should oppose religion as a whole or whether we should work with the notion that humans cannot live without religion.