Looks good to me. We can add the same in homepage too.

looks good

I'm not very sure about the current description or the proposed description. I think we can do better.

Pirates stand for human rights and social justice. Pirate activities are inspired from FOSS (Free and Open Source Software) philosophy and support direct democracy, open/transparent governance, open content (free sharing of knowledge), personal privacy and net neutrality usually called together as Pirate ideas.

These philosophies surrounding FOSS have been around long before Software existed, I think we should focus on the roots of the philosophy. I'm saying this because when we say FOSS we sound very ITish, for someone who is not in the IT field this might not resonate much. Even for someone in the IT field, I don't think all of them would be aware of FOSS enough to understand the philosophies behind it. If we are directly talking about the root philosophies it would be much better.

We also need to be clear on the definition of these terms (direct democracy, open/transparent governance, open content (free sharing of knowledge), personal privacy and net neutrality). As you know, in politics, people conveniently change the definition of every word to fit their aims, we need to be clear about our goals in the description. It will be long, but I think the description of a political party should be long.

Lastly, I have seen lot of proposals in this forum on various political issues. I think we are at a very nascent stage and we should discuss (and educate) among ourselves about various philosophies, ideologies and issues before going to a stage where we take a stand about things.

We also need to be clear on the definition of these terms (direct democracy, open/transparent governance, open content (free sharing of knowledge), personal privacy and net neutrality). As you know, in politics, people conveniently change the definition of every word to fit their aims, we need to be clear about our goals in the description. It will be long, but I think the description of a political party should be long.

This description is just to give an overview, we have http://pirates.org/constitution and http://pirates.org.in/manifesto for more detailed explanation of our stands.

These philosophies surrounding FOSS have been around long before Software existed, I think we should focus on the roots of the philosophy.

Yes, we can substitute FOSS with the root idea of FOSS. How about "Pirate activities are inspired from voluntary collaboration and free sharing of knowledge as seen in Free Software communities".

Lastly, I have seen lot of proposals in this forum on various political issues. I think we are at a very nascent stage and we should discuss (and educate) among ourselves about various philosophies, ideologies and issues before going to a stage where we take a stand about things.

We can never learn about everything before we take a stand, instead, if we realize we need to change a stand later, we can do that. This "learn everything before starting something" is a common mistake most people make, it prevents them from doing anything (one example I can point to is in programming, people think they need to master a programming language before they write their first program). Many things you learn while doing something. The other issue is to try and make a fool proof document that will never change. We are making a living constitution and manifesto that is open to criticism and change.

If you like the current constitution, you can be an associate.

I agree with the principles, but they must be more generalized. Promotion of FOSS is the job of something like the FSF. While we would support FOSS as a government it should essentially be covered by the mention of direct democracy in most spheres of life. I think we should use phrases like "protection of all rights including digital rights, promotion of life sciences and provisions for basic social security."

We also need to be clear on the definition of these terms (direct democracy, open/transparent governance, open content (free sharing of knowledge), personal privacy and net neutrality). As you know, in politics, people conveniently change the definition of every word to fit their aims, we need to be clear about our goals in the description. It will be long, but I think the description of a political party should be long.

Lastly, I have seen lot of proposals in this forum on various political issues. I think we are at a very nascent stage and we should discuss (and educate) among ourselves about various philosophies, ideologies and issues before going to a stage where we take a stand about things.

@saipranav i agree with you. it is important to have a clear definition of each of those terms associated with our core philosophies. and thus we should be able to convey why they are important and worth fighting for.

That happens when the group is closed.

I would disagree here. Having been part of social movements and active in politics throughout student days, a group does not have to be closed. Why even go till social movements, just look at some reddit subs like r/india or r/indianews, they are open for namesake, but they are very closed for anyone who is a neutralist.

When a group takes a stand, it becomes a clique, people who don't agree with the stand become outcasts. In r/indianews you'll be branded a liberal and whatnot if you have a view that doesn't align with theirs. In r/india you'll be branded a bhakt and whatnot if you have a view that doesn't align with theirs. This has happened inspite of freedom of speech and encouraging discussion because the majority picks up a 'stand' and treats everyone else with hatred. If the Pirate Party or anyone else starting up is not focusing on building a space a those kind of hate filled groups don't form, what comes out of this party is not going to be productive in any way.

The initial hate filled flame baiters that you said left, have left because Pirate Party is not big enough. Once Pirate Party becomes big enough, those flame baiters will be there to stay and mess up the place.

Looking at whatever little discussion has happened in this forum, it doesn't look like it has the foundation to let any real productive stuff happen.

Looking at whatever little discussion has happened in this forum, it doesn't look like it has the foundation to let any real productive stuff happen.

what are your suggestions for building such a foundation? your ideas are more than welcome.