I don't see it reflected on the site, may be you forget to git pull on the server.

@ambadyanands https://codema.in/d/u2ZWgGHm/pirate-manifesto has proposal to grant asylum to Edward Snowden.

Should we add something about political corruption and running for office? I have heard from my family that many political parties and members have ongoing corruption investigations but are still able to hold office without issues.

Further ideas:
1. Grant asylum to honest whistleblowers
2. Actively end child slavery in India (and purchasing international products known to use slavery)
3. Remove briberies from administrative processes (government and schools)
4. Create a business startup culture (provide education and resources to start a business, simplify business startup process, provide beneficial grants/loans) (according to subsidiarity, each state/city should have its own method of executing this)

good points. but let me share my doubts. points already added in the current manifesto like abolishing death penalty and repealing AFSPA are something that can be done by passing a law if Pirate Party gets into power. but for things like child slavery and bribery, there already exists laws against them. so other than simply saying we will end child slavery or bribery when we get into power, is there something specific which we can really do to end them? if yes, i think that's what we should add to the manifesto. what do you think?

@ambadyanands That is very true. I shall do more research into those 2 matters (child slavery / bribery) and bring up more measurable/achievable items for the manifesto (and will do so for all future proposals to the manifesto).

how do you define honest whistle blowers?

@praveenarimbrathod okay. link added to http://pirates.org.in/manifesto

@ambadyanands I've completed a small analysis on bribery in India. I believe there are 3 solutions that can be implemented and potentially added to the Manifesto under fighting bribery. The attachment has my analysis and reasons behind their effectiveness:
1. Greater authority for the CVC
2. Greater autonomy for local / state government bodies to execute projects at their level with minimum federal intervention
3. Civics class held once a week so that students understand their rights and responsibilities to society

I think the solution has to address root causes of the issue. I think social inequalities has a big role in corruption.

What is wrong if a person wants good quality education for their children? As long as we fail to provide good quality education to every one, people would want to earn money for their children's education. If they can't get the money via legal means, they will resort to illegal means including bribery.

Another reason could be giving dowry for daughter's wedding. If we can't stop the practice of dowry, how can we expect a person not to provide good dowry to their daughters?

It could also be about having an expensive life style or simply amassing wealth.

@ambadyanands I've completed a small analysis on slavery in India. I believe there are 3 solutions that can be implemented and potentially added to the Manifesto under fighting slavery. The attachment has my analysis and reasons behind their effectiveness:

1. Informing the poor of their rights, the consequences of debt bondage, appropriate law enforcement and CVC contacts, and means of earning a decent income
2. Greater authority for local CVC tiers so that they can work out problems specific to their locale + greater cooperation between anti-slavery charity and community groups, local CVC tiers, and local law enforcement
3. Awarding honest companies and charities for their work in fighting slavery.

great work @ryanlm. i have gone through the files you attached. will propose these in the permanent members group one by one in order to add them to the manifesto. :)

From @ryanlm 's report and his solution, in short, i would like to present a five part solution
1) Transparency.
By implementing full digitalization(gradually) will improve the accountability and transparency of each and every action in public sector. Also these digitalized data should be publicly available, this should be easily available and should act as next level for RTI.

2) Decentralization of power
The large number of layers of power to get an approval is a major reason. Making power distributed in lower/local bodies(possibilities to be studied) can reduce corruption to an extend.

3) Auditing.
Adding a social auditing feature along with decentralization will improve the effect of previous action mentioned above.
Improving the efficiency of CVC and other means and reducing inside corruption. (methods to be discussed studying present structure and condition)

4) Employment Revolution
This includes strategic actions that will in result will decrease under employment and mostly under payment. Giving incentives based on their performance will also work in certain cases.
5) Education.
Even with good governance, without proper awareness and proper individual development of people, corruption will sustain. thats where education matters. it will not only make a aware citizen, but also a responsible one.

Stopping police abuse and bringing accountability https://codema.in/d/FGkHziLb/comment/1217580 (linking the discussion that was started sometime back so its easy to find).

Oppose censorship of all kinds.

Particularly, we can start with this,
Section 95 in The Code Of Criminal Procedure, 1973
Power to declare certain publications forfeited and to issue search warrants for the same. Where-
(a) any newspaper, or book, or
(b) any document, wherever printed, appears to the State Government to contain any matter the publication of which is punishable under section 124A or section 153A or section 153B or section 292 or section 293 or section 295A of the Indian Penal Code (45 of 1860 ), the State Government may, by notification, stating the grounds of its opinion, declare every copy of the issue of the newspaper containing such matter, and every copy of such book or other document to be forfeited to Government, and thereupon any police officer may seize the same wherever found in India and any Magistrate may by warrant authorize any police officer not below the rank of sub- inspector to enter upon and search for the same in any premises where any copy of such issue or any such book or other document may be or may be reasonably suspected to be.
https://indiankanoon.org/doc/875455/

It only appear to the govt. That is sufficient to ban the publication. Then the burden is on the Author/Publisher to run to a court and prove that It does not violate any of those sections. The default is against freedom of expression.

Also, the censorship imposed by court orders on websites, like archive.org, torrent websites etc.

Sections mentioned in the above :

Section 124A in The Indian Penal Code

101 [124A. Sedition.—Whoever, by words, either spoken or written, or by signs, or by visible representation, or otherwise, brings or attempts to bring into hatred or contempt, or excites or attempts to excite disaffection towards, 102 [] the Government estab­lished by law in 103 [India], [] shall be punished with 104 [im­prisonment for life], to which fine may be added, or with impris­onment which may extend to three years, to which fine may be added, or with fine. Explanation 1.—The expression “disaffection” includes disloyalty and all feelings of enmity. Explanation 2.—Comments expressing disapprobation of the meas­ures of the Government with a view to obtain their alteration by lawful means, without exciting or attempting to excite hatred, contempt or disaffection, do not constitute an offence under this section. Explanation 3.—Comments expressing disapprobation of the admin­istrative or other action of the Government without exciting or attempting to excite hatred, contempt or disaffection, do not constitute an offence under this section.]
https://indiankanoon.org/doc/1641007/

Section 153A in The Indian Penal Code

157 [153A. Promoting enmity between different groups on grounds of religion, race, place of birth, residence, language, etc., and doing acts prejudicial to maintenance of harmony.—
(1) Whoever—
(a) by words, either spoken or written, or by signs or by visible representations or otherwise, promotes or attempts to promote, on grounds of religion, race, place of birth, residence, language, caste or community or any other ground whatsoever, disharmony or feelings of enmity, hatred or ill-will between different reli­gious, racial, language or regional groups or castes or communi­ties, or
(b) commits any act which is prejudicial to the maintenance of harmony between different religious, racial, language or regional groups or castes or communities, and which disturbs or is likely to disturb the public tranquillity, 2[or] 2[(c) organizes any exercise, movement, drill or other similar activity intending that the participants in such activity shall use or be trained to use criminal force or violence or knowing it to be likely that the participants in such activity will use or be trained to use criminal force or violence, or participates in such activity intending to use or be trained to use criminal force or violence or knowing it to be likely that the partici­pants in such activity will use or be trained to use criminal force or violence, against any religious, racial, language or regional group or caste or community and such activity for any reason whatsoever causes or is likely to cause fear or alarm or a feeling of insecurity amongst members of such religious, racial, language or regional group or caste or community,] shall be punished with imprisonment which may extend to three years, or with fine, or with both. Offence committed in place of worship, etc.—(2) Whoever commits an offence specified in sub-section (1) in any place of worship or in any assembly engaged in the performance of religious wor­ship or religious ceremonies, shall be punished with imprisonment which may extend to five years and shall also be liable to fine.]
https://indiankanoon.org/doc/345634/

Section 153B in The Indian Penal Code

160 [153B. Imputations, assertions prejudicial to national-integration.—
(1) Whoever, by words either spoken or written or by signs or by visible representations or otherwise,—
(a) makes or publishes any imputation that any class of persons cannot, by reason of their being members of any religious, ra­cial, language or regional group or caste or community, bear true faith and allegiance to the Constitution of India as by law established or uphold the sovereignty and integrity of India, or
(b) asserts, counsels, advises, propagates or publishes that any class of persons shall, by reason of their being members of any religious, racial, language or regional group or caste or commu­nity, be denied or deprived of their rights as citizens of India, or
(c) makes or publishes any assertion, counsel, plea or appeal concerning the obligation of any class of persons, by reason of their being members of any religious, racial, language or region­al group or caste or community, and such assertion, counsel, plea or appeal causes or is likely to cause disharmony or feelings of enmity or hatred or ill-will between such members and other persons, shall be punished with imprisonment which may extend to three years, or with fine, or with both.
(2) Whoever commits an offence specified in sub-section (1), in any place of worship or in any assembly engaged in the perform­ance of religious worship or religious ceremonies, shall be punished with imprisonment which may extend to five years and shall also be liable to fine.]
https://indiankanoon.org/doc/771276/

Section 292 in The Indian Penal Code

260 [292. Sale, etc., of obscene books, etc.— 261 [
(1) For the purposes of sub-section (2), a book, pamphlet, paper, writing, drawing, painting, representation, figure or any other object, shall be deemed to be obscene if it is lascivious or appeals to the pruri­ent interest or if its effect, or (where it comprises two or more distinct items) the effect of any one of its items, is, if taken as a whole, such as to tend to deprave and corrupt person, who are likely, having regard to all relevant circumstances, to read, see or hear the matter contained or embodied in it.]
262 [(2) ] Whoever—
(a) sells, lets to hire, distributes, publicly exhibits or in any manner puts into circulation, or for purposes of sale, hire, distribution, public exhibition or circulation, makes, produces or has in his possession any obscene book, pamphlet, paper, drawing, painting, representation or figure or any other obscene object whatsoever, or
(b) imports, exports or conveys any obscene object for any of the purposes aforesaid, or knowing or having reason to believe that such object will be sold, let to hire, distributed or publicly exhibited or in any manner put into circulation, or
(c) takes part in or receives profits from any business in the course of which he knows or has reason to believe that any such obscene objects are for any of the purposes aforesaid, made, produced, purchased, kept, imported, exported, conveyed, publicly exhibited or in any manner put into circulation, or
(d) advertises or makes known by any means whatsoever that any person is engaged or is ready to engage in any act which is an offence under this section, or that any such obscene object can be procured from or through any person, or
(e) offers or attempts to do any act which is an offence under this section, shall be punished 263 [on first conviction with im­prisonment of either description for a term which may extend to two years, and with fine which may extend to two thousand rupees, and, in the event of a second or subsequent conviction, with imprisonment of either description for a term which may extend to five years, and also with fine which may extend to five thousand rupees].
264 [(Exception) —This section does not extend to—
(a) any book, pamphlet, paper, writing, drawing, painting, repre­sentation or figure— (i) the publication of which is proved to be justified as being for the public good on the ground that such book, pamphlet, paper, writing, drawing, painting, representation or figure is in the interest of science, literature, art or learning or other objects of general concern, or (ii) which is kept or used bona fide for religious purposes;
(b) any representation sculptured, engraved, painted or otherwise represented on or in— (i) any ancient monument within the meaning of the Ancient Monu­ments and Archaeological Sites and Remains Act, 1958 (24 of 1958), or (ii) any temple, or on any car used for the conveyance of idols, or kept or used for any religious purpose.]]
https://indiankanoon.org/doc/1704109/

Section 293 in The Code Of Criminal Procedure, 1973

1. Reports of certain Government scientific experts. (1) Any document purporting to be a report under the hand of a Government scientific expert to whom this section applies, upon any matter or thing duly submitted to him for examination or analysis and report in the course of any proceeding under this Code, may be used as evidence in any inquiry, trial or other proceeding under this Code. (2) The Court may, if it thinks fit, summon and examine any such expert as to the subject- matter of his report. (3) Where any such expert is summoned by a Court and he is unable to attend personally, he may, unless the Court has expressly directed him to appear personally, depute any responsible officer working with him to attend the Court, if such officer is conversant with the facts of the case and can satisfactorily depose in Court on his behalf. (4) This section applies to the following Government scientific experts, namely:- (a) any Chemical Examiner or Assistant Chemical Examiner to Government; (b) the Chief Inspector of- Explosives; (c) the Director of the Finger Print Bureau; (d) the Director, Haffkeine Institute, Bombay; (e) the Director 1 , Deputy Director or Assistant Director] of a Central Forensic Science Laboratory or a State Forensic Science Laboratory; (f) the Serologist to the Government. https://indiankanoon.org/doc/692331/

Section 295A in The Indian Penal Code

272 [295A. Deliberate and malicious acts, intended to outrage reli­gious feelings of any class by insulting its religion or reli­gious beliefs.—Whoever, with deliberate and malicious intention of outraging the religious feelings of any class of 273 [citizens of India], 274 [by words, either spoken or written, or by signs or by visible representations or otherwise], insults or attempts to insult the religion or the religious beliefs of that class, shall be punished with imprisonment of either description for a term which may extend to 4[three years], or with fine, or with both.]
https://indiankanoon.org/doc/1803184/

Here is an opinion post from the HIndu about the Section 95 of CrPC : http://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/tp-opinion/the-architecture-of-censorship/article19505826.ece - Gautam Bhatia, a Delhi-based lawyer, the author of ‘Offend, Shock, or Disturb: Free Speech Under the Indian Constitution’

idealogical censorship ?

is it the same cpc by which aseem trivedi was harassed ?

No, Aseem was arrested under 66A of IT act and 124A

What do you propose? Repeal or amend it?

Scrap it. It (whether it violates those sections or not) should be the decision of a court, not govt.

idealogical censorship ?
Yes, Censorship of speech and expression of ideas (at least by the state) in all forms.

But court can't decide without a law. So if you want only to remove govt, then we can't scrap the law, but amend it.

If we remove the govt. then, somebody will have to take it to the court, and all those sections can be charged individually. since this law allows forfeiture without a trial. If there is a trial before forfeiture, why would there be a need for this law?

Edit : The sections talk about punishment for the author of the work, not the forfeiture of the work itself. So it this law might then, only be for forfeiture of the work itself, after the trial.
Then, in that case, we need to repeal those sections, in addition to the ammendment.

Under which other law they can take it to court if we repeal it?

see the edit.
They can take issue under the specific law it violates, say, sedition, against the author, but not the forfeiture of distribution.

Remove taxation, find other source of income rather than selling off public companies.

Freedom to transact between peers, without dependence on bank as a middleman.
plus removal of zero balance.

We should add repealing of Section 377 of IPC which criminalizes homosexuality to the manifesto. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Section_377_of_the_Indian_Penal_Code for more.

@manoharelavarthi thanks for the clarification. We can change it. But since we are so close to a judgement from Supreme Court, lets a wait a few more days and see if we still need to push it or push it further. A good overview of the court proceedings https://thewire.in/lgbtqia/de-criminalising-homosexuality-may-become-gateway-for-civil-rights-demands-centre

Since section 377 of IPC is now read down to decriminalize consensual sex between adults, we should fight to grant other rights currently denied because of their gender or sexuality.

I was at Queer Pride March Kerala 2018 at Thrissur this Sunday and noted down these points in a session titled "Act for an act". Please comment on them and lets try to draft a bill to reflect our stand on these issues and add to manifesto.

• Law targeting discrimination against lgbtiq+
• Lack of awareness among judges, lawyers, doctors about diversity needs to be addressed.
• Govt of Kerala is not sincere about TG policy. Domestic violence prevention act was widely spread causing increase in reported crimes.
• Kerala TG Policy is vague. There is no national TG policy.
• Children are thrown out from home, even police tells the parents to beat or treat.
• The TG policy is not comprehensive, it is not publicized widely, and violation is not punished.
• Law should harmonious with other laws. Specific law overrides generic law.
• How to identify is the first step.
• Can TG person go to Sabarimala? We should bring this to mainstream discussion.
• No order is yet given to any police for TG policy implementation.
• No law for marriage, adoption or inheritance
• PSC is having no column to specify TG person
• Media is not taking TGs in any discussions
• No clarity in money to SRS (Sex reassignment surgery) surgery (only public statement), no GO (Govt Order).
• No college has TGs as teachers
• Curriculum has to include TGs
• Even though 377 is gone, police still uses other acts like public nuisance act, Beggary abolition act, or immoral traffic act. So a social change is necessary.
• 6 months - 2 years imprisonment for atrocities against TGs in TG bill, not law yet
• Begging ban in the bill to affect 'Hijada' mothers
• Censor board should not allow negative portrayal of TG
• We should identify atrocities specific to TGs like cutting hair forcefully, dressed in rejected gender after death
• Any law should be pan Indian effort
• It should criminalize homophobia
• It should be include awareness programs as part of curriculum
• It should prevent Open discrimination in workplace
• Treating homosexuality as disease should be prevented
• TG justice board should be expanded to include other LGBTIQ+ groups
• Fundamental rights should be granted to all, everyone is a person
• Intersex needs more protection modeled on international laws

Just want to know your thoughts and opinion on reservations?
How d'you see it as?

I suggest you open a new thread.

We have published our funding souces for Kerala Assembly Elections 2016 and we are publishing it for Lok Sabha 2019 as well. https://pirates.org.in/elections/kerala2016 and https://pirates.org.in/elections/loksabha2019. That answers https://twitter.com/menakadoshi/status/1115488700975255553?s=20 Lets make it officially part of our manifesto as well.

I think we should include some piunts from this article 'Unlocking the power of women' in our manifesto https://thewire.in/women/unlocking-the-power-of-women

@arunisaac @piratekp https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proportional_representation has some good data

Who will decide the segments and their proportions? Currently, in India, Anglo Indians have 2 seats, would you agree that proportion is correct representation?

I think you are mixing up things here. It not going to be per religion or caste. There are many options here (listed in the wikipedia article), are you opposed to all of them? For example, in Kerala, it could be 35% seats (7) to LDF, 45% seats to UDF (9) and 16% (3) to NDA ie, number of seats in proportion to their vote share.

Party list works in countries where the community is more or so homogeneous. Having a PL in India will have weird consequences. Will it increase vote bank politics? will it increase polarization? I think it would. It would also pave path to fringe elements becoming king makers. The wikipedia page refers to these with examples.

Party List is not the only option. @arunisaac what do you think about his concerns?

https://thewire.in/government/india-elections-first-past-the-post this gives a historic perspective on this choice in India.

Another article on the same topic https://thewire.in/politics/debate-first-past-the-post-means-india-is-only-a-namesake-democracy

We need to mention that we will improve teacher to student ratio. This will improve quality of teaching and balance the disruption educational industry due to increased public funding.

Thanks for the suggestion. Added it.

Imo one cannot cut defence funding in a country surrounded by threats. Corruption in defence purchases might be the way forward, but then corruption in any sector needs to be handled. A country which has safe borders and no internal insurgency can always cut funding on defence and channel it to infrastructure or services like healthcare/education. I wonder if the war machinery will ever allow that.

Could you add your thoughts to this thread? https://codema.in/d/PHyF6C0M/suggestions-related-to-defence-procurement-and-bureaucracy-role-in-defence-deals-

What about if the money only comes from defense savings rather than budgets cuts?

I would say, If a government wants to spend money on services, government needs to have income than relying on taxes and sucn. As of now we are selling off all possible avenues from which government can make money.

I would also want to propose educating and training teachers too, and I assume that this comes under the proposal. Regarding reducing defence funding, we should tackle the root of the problem that is threat from from our neighbourhood, so our first goal in cutting down defence expense should be negotiating and turning out neighbourhood into less hostile environment.

Edit: I changed my vote to "block" and suggested changing the wording

This paper on Premature Imitation talks about how policies on education should try to focus on learning outcomes and not make it strict on infrastructure requirements without taking into account the capacity of the country.

Therefore, I would say that we can figure out the mechanism of how to do this later and for now just focus on putting in the idea of universal education in the manifesto.

If we do want to talk a bit about mechanics, I would say we should talk about lead indicators that takes into account how education is provided in our country today.

I did not want it to appear as just an empty promise. If we are not serious about how we are going to fund it, I don't think anyone can take it seriously. Even us, without out a clear priority we can just have it as a wish list not something we are serious about. But anyway we have time to discuss those, so for now I will leave the concrete funding part from the proposal, but we have to keep looking at it.

@Pirate Praveen would you be willing to amend the proposal with the suggestion from @raghukamath and my suggestion which may allow @piratekp to support it?

Yes, I will modify the proposal to include these suggestions.

@piratekp @raghukamath I have updated the proposal incorporating your concerns, please check again.

cutting down defense budget is still a no go for me, in the near future. lets be practical about defence budgetting, how many years/decades would it take to have a lesser defence budget in your opinion?

Not even mentioning as a conditional item ?

@Sah point 4, is only about potential source, it does not say we have to reduce funding before we solve those mentioned issues. Can you suggest changes to point 4 that you can agree?

I will change my position in principle if we ready to look defence need not as burden but guarantee to our sovereignty and our right of freedom and liberty. Beefed up defence would act as a detroiting force multiplayer to keep the enemy and its nefarious activists on check and bind them think beyond certain check point.

Having said that, yes, what we can actually work on is cutting on wastage. Wastage of fund in terms of corruption and unnecessary delay in procurement and fullfiing the tander. Time bound tender opening with well define cut of period to finish the said purchase.

Slowly working towards less dependence on defence imports and shift large chunk of purchase to our local Manufacturers.

The oversight committee dedicated to monitor the tender floatation happen as per the guidelines and in stipulated time.

Lastly, a robust system to punish any sort of corruption with iron feast. By that I mean weather it's is Administration, defence or Politician who ever found guilty of corruption and kickback would be deemed as war criminal and dealt only by court Marshall. We can work out ways accused human rights not go for a toss (Need more and more suggestions).

Europe was fighting among themselves, and many conflicts around the world were resolved. First step in peace is actively seeking it. I made the cutting conditional to peaceful borders.

if we make it dependent on defence cuts, conditional or not, it might remain a pipe dream in my opinion.

It is not the only option mentioned here. Are you saying Defense budget is a holy cow and we can't even talk about a possibility of cutting it even in far future? Don't change start when people dare to challenge the status quo?

when you say far future, i hear pipe dream. I hope you got the point.

So if you don't disagree in principle, can you consider changing your position to Abstain?

I agree but we are in midst of two enemy states. One is fanatic enough to ruin himself in order to maintain their enmity. And second one is untrustworthy enough and seek expansion and control of the whole rigion, we have witnessed that time after time...

Are you saying everything else in manifesto is in near future ?

like @piratekp said, there should be more revenue sources for the govt. i'm sure that by decreasing defense funds we don't mean to compromise national security or the safety and well-being of the soldiers. but it also doesn't mean that we should keep entertaining the weapons industry. in order to know where we can save spendings we need to analyze the facts and figures around amassing weapons. this can be considered as 'eliminating wasteful (or unnecessary) funding' and it is already mentioned in the point 3 of the proposal. so i'd like to suggest to remove point 4 from the proposal for now and create a separate proposal for reducing defense spendings. like @Pirate Praveen said, defense budget is not a holy cow & it needs to be discussed.

@Pirate Bady point 3 changed. I think on point 4, we can expand on it later as a separate proposal.