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Sun 13 Sep 2015 6:36AM

What is our position on the use of the death penalty?

PV Pirate Vik Public Seen by 342

Indian Pirates should oppose the use of the death penalty. Legal systems are fraught with inefficiency, lack of fairness and outright corruption. In this scenario can we really support a system that provides an irreversible conclusion?
Law changes over time, we cannot bring back the dead who's acts are no longer deemed illegal.

PV

Poll Created Tue 24 Nov 2015 4:18PM

Indian Pirates should stand for the abolition of the death penalty Closed Fri 27 Nov 2015 4:07PM

Outcome
by Pirate Vik Tue 25 Apr 2017 5:22AM

The majority of people that gave a view agreed with the proposal so I guess it should stand.

Please read the description in the main thread.

Results

Results Option % of points Voters
Agree 71.4% 5 VP BC PP VM PV
Abstain 28.6% 2 DU AG
Disagree 0.0% 0  
Block 0.0% 0  
Undecided 0% 127 AS MK SK NV FGP AR AK AKS RD J KAK SK S MKT NAJ PS AA SA JN A

7 of 134 people have participated (5%)

VP

vishnu Prakash
Agree
Wed 25 Nov 2015 7:08AM

Death penalty is not the solution for crime

PP

Pirate Praveen
Agree
Fri 27 Nov 2015 4:52AM

It is the logical next step from a revenge based society to a society based on human values

BC

Balasankar C
Agree
Fri 27 Nov 2015 7:35AM

We are humans for a reason. Eye for an eye is not how Judiciary should work. Change it to life sentence which should be in fact for whole life and convicts should be given opportunity to earn income (jobs@jails) so taxpayer need not pay for them.

PV

Pirate Vik Fri 18 Sep 2015 2:40PM

@rajudvindane @praveenarimbrathod @vidyut @karthikeyanak do you guys have any views on this?

KAK

Karthikeyan A K Fri 18 Sep 2015 4:45PM

Some people are afraid of death, and it seems the only deterrent against certain crimes.

PV

Pirate Vik Fri 18 Sep 2015 10:00PM

@karthikeyanak but which crimes are you free of because of this deterrent?

PP

Pirate Praveen Sat 19 Sep 2015 5:03AM

@vik we should stand for abolishion of death penalty.

  1. You already mentioned corruption and chance of wrong conclusions.
  2. When the crime happens mostly, people don't think about getting caught. Even if they are caught poor people are getting punished more than the rich (there is a recent study).
  3. It is about revenge than justice.
V

Vidyut Tue 22 Sep 2015 5:58AM

I have mixed feelings. I am against punishment in general, let alone death penalty. I'd like to find more functional ways to deliver justice to begin with. The idea of society agreeing of norms of behavior to the point of taking life is troubling. Perhaps I do not want to have responsibility for such a decision - which is implied with the judiciary acting on behalf laws created for me - the citizen. This is utopia. At least as of now.

That said, I do understand that in a country fraught with terrible challenges, some situations would justify the death penalty rather than risking lives of others. Repeat offenders in violent crimes, fanatical leaders continuing to inspire and provoke mass violence (who sadly never land in jail), key prisoners who would provide high value targets for blackmail or hostage taking for exchanges, premediated brutality to achieve objectives, etc... I can understand how safeguarding may be beyond the capacity of the state and the most functional (even if not ideal) solution would be the death penalty.

In my view, whatever the state decides, it must be after considered debate and clear to the public. The standards, while keeping some potential for preventing an execution, must not be so vague as to result in a perversion of justice by manifesting unequally across social prejudices like class, caste or religion. Robust process and clear guidelines for sentencing, appeals and execution are important so that neither the state nor prisoners can pervert the system to their ends.

I think the issue with death penalty in India is not so much that it is present, but it is present in a manner that favors some and targets others.

PV

Pirate Vik Tue 22 Sep 2015 8:06AM

@vidyut I feel like I need to try and convince you further. Perhaps these points will help:

  1. No country that has the death penalty is free from crime - so it therefore does not act as a deterrent.

  2. We have no shortage of solutions for keeping people incarcerated - it's a huge industry. We should not be taking someones life for the sake of saving costs.

  3. None of the pro arguments deal with the case of a miscarriage of just.

  4. More than 117 nations worldwide have abandoned capital punishment in law or in practice. By retaining it we keep company with some of the worlds worst human rights abusers.

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