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1. We try to reach consensus among the largest possible group
2. If that fails due to disagreement, we will try to convince those people or find a middle ground.
3. If we still want to push ahead, we can move the proposal to an associates sub group where people have publicly stated their commitment to our basic principles and our.constitution
4. If the proposal fails in the associates sub group, we will try to find a middle ground or evaluate if the person is well aligned with the principals and constitution in order to decide to move it to a members only group
5. If the members only group cannot agree the proposal it will either fail or lead to the formation of two groups, in case such disagreements persist and members feel we can't work together.
Pirate Praveen Thu 20 May 2021 1:42PM
We look at who is blocking it or disagreeing with it.
Pirate Praveen Thu 20 May 2021 1:44PM
Yes, if two people block and one of them is someone we want to keep and another we don't care, the response will differ, for each person.
Pirate Praveen Thu 20 May 2021 1:46PM
We aim for consensus, so a single disagreement can stop it. So we make a decision whether to override it or not based on who is disagreeing.
Kannan V M Thu 20 May 2021 1:50PM
Can we say,
"If the proposal fail to reach a consensus at associate level, associate members can choose to extend the period of discussion until/unless a permanent member moves the discussion to a members only group."
Kannan V M Thu 20 May 2021 1:52PM
Saying this, There should be another clause saying,
> Permanent members will have the right to close or move the discussion to a members only group.
Pirate Bady Thu 20 May 2021 2:40PM
We aim for consensus, so a single disagreement can stop it
forgot to add this, without that it's highly likely that the voting method will be confused with first-past-the-post method. got to update the proposal regarding how a proposal will be considered success or failure.
Pirate Praveen Thu 20 May 2021 1:31PM
We give veto power to every one in a level. We need not succeed in convincing someone who is ideological opposite to our core values through discussion.
Pirate Praveen Thu 20 May 2021 1:39PM
So we make an evaluation whether keeping that person with us is really worth for our goals or not. Because if we override, they may not stay with us or want to be a member.
Pirate Praveen Thu 20 May 2021 1:41PM
People clicking 'I agree' without evaluating every item is very likely, but we will come to know their real values only through interactions.
Pirate Bady Sun 23 May 2021 5:14PM
I think it should be in the constitution
@Pirate Praveen where would you recommend to add this in the constitution? what about adding as a new article before the organizational goals?
Kannan V M · Thu 20 May 2021 1:40PM
A proposal fails if either someone blocks or when there is no majority for agreements and disagreements right? In both cases, there will be more people supporting it other than the one who post it. Should we not consider them too?
Also if we should put this condition to a test, how would the criteria work for a proposal when it is published by two different persons with one of them with less affinity to the constitution? Will the same proposal will be treated differently with the person?