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Document and publish our decision making process and rationale on our website

PP Pirate Praveen Public Seen by 40

1. We try to reach consensus among the largest possible group

2. If that fails due to disagreement, we will try to convince those people or find a middle ground.

3. If we still want to push ahead, we can move the proposal to an associates sub group where people have publicly stated their commitment to our basic principles and our.constitution

4. If the proposal fails in the associates sub group, we will try to find a middle ground or evaluate if the person is well aligned with the principals and constitution in order to decide to move it to a members only group

5. If the members only group cannot agree the proposal it will either fail or lead to the formation of two groups, in case such disagreements persist and members feel we can't work together.

PB

Pirate Bady Tue 30 Mar 2021 8:04PM

i think we can add this to the guidelines draft we created sometime ago: https://cryptpad.fr/pad/#/2/pad/edit/T-ZVk7j1GGgAkZ1kLQiLIKhp/

PB

Poll Created Tue 18 May 2021 8:51PM

Publish our decision making process and rationale on our website Closed Mon 31 May 2021 6:00PM

How to propose amendments to Constitution or Manifesto of Indian Pirates:

  1. To participate in these discussions, you need to create an account on codema. Use the login button on top right of the homepage to create an account.

    • https://codema.in/indian-pirates is the current discussion platform for proposing amendments to the Constitution or new items to the Manifesto. It is powered by Loomio software and the service is maintained by Free Software Community of India.

    • Anyone can see the discussions happening in the codema group (or sub groups). You can choose to receive updates by email and customize your preferences (you can chose to receive updates for every activity, once per discussion topic, no email notifications, etc).

    • Once you are logged in to codema, you will be able to start new discussion threads or reply to existing discussion threads.

  2. On any thread, you can start a "Proposal" and clearly describe the proposed change. Depending on the significance of the change, provide enough time for people to vote. Ideally a minimum period of one week should be provided for changes that are not time critical. Also check https://pirates.org.in/constituion for the membership levels and minimum requirements for passing the amendments.

  3. If you are proposing a constitution amendment, it is recommended to have "Constitution amendment: " in the title of the thread so we can easily search for all amendments later. Similarly, if you are proposing amendment to Manifesto, mention "Manifesto amendment: " in the title of the thread.

Rationale behind the decision making process:

  1. Try to reach consensus among the largest possible public group on codema.

    • Consensus is not about majority, even a single disagreement is considered as lack of consensus.

    • "Block" vote has a special meaning such that it gives any member the power to discard any proposal. This helps to ensure that the voice of the minority will not go unheard. At the same time, since it comes with great power it requires great responsibility. A block vote should only be used if the proposal is against the Basic Principles of the Indian Pirates Constitution unless the proposal is to amend the Basic Principles itself. In all other cases of disagreement, whether strong or not, take care to use "disagree" vote along with sufficient explanation.

    • The difference between "disagree" vote and "block" vote is that the latter indicates there exists little to no chance for the proposal to get approved while the former provides more room for further discussions.

    • If the proposal is regarding an activity, it's recommended not to discourage anyone from it unless it is not against the basic principles. Those who don't like to engage in the activity can abstain from it instead.

  2. If it fails due to disagreement, try to convince those people or find a middle ground.

  3. If there is still no consensus, move the proposal to an associates sub group where people have publicly stated their commitment to the basic principles and the constitution of Indian Pirates.

  4. If the proposal fails in the associates sub group, try to find a middle ground or evaluate if the disagreed person is well aligned with the principles and constitution in order to decide to move it to a members only group.

  5. If the members only group cannot agree the proposal it will either fail or lead to the formation of two groups, in case such disagreements persist and members feel we can't work together.


Update on 20/05/2021: Fixed minor typos.

Update on 23/05/2021: Rearranged the contents more logically, added a couple of new points under the first section of rationale behind decision making process.

Results

Results Option % of points Voters
Agree 100.0% 3 PP PB PV
Abstain 0.0% 0  
Disagree 0.0% 0  
Block 0.0% 0  
Undecided 0% 183 V A D K S CMJ DU S F RD MS RS P A PJ J A S S MK

3 of 186 people have participated (1%)

PP

Pirate Praveen
Agree
Wed 19 May 2021 5:54AM

I think it should be in the constitution

PV

Pirate Vik
Agree
Thu 20 May 2021 5:00PM

the reasoned debate in the comments helped me to reach a conclusion quickly, thank you!

KVM

Kannan V M Wed 19 May 2021 7:38AM

4. If the proposal fails in the associates sub group, we will try to find a middle ground or evaluate if the person is well aligned with the principals and constitution in order to decide to move it to a members only group.

Can you make this point clear?

PB

Pirate Bady Thu 20 May 2021 10:47AM

@Kannan V M here's what i think: one could simply state that they agree to the constitution and become an associate, but due to various reasons one's opinions may deviate from those views and values later. in such cases of conflicts, they would have to try to reach a consensus by convincing why and propose necessary changes or by changing their views/opinions. if none of that works, the issue would have to be taken to the next level for voting, i.e. to a members only group.

KVM

Kannan V M Thu 20 May 2021 11:02AM

evaluate if the person is well aligned with the principals and constitution in order to decide to move it

Is it "if the proposal is well aligned"?

PB

Pirate Bady Thu 20 May 2021 11:23AM

no, because if the proposal is not well aligned with the basic principles, it could be blocked stating the same reason.

KVM

Kannan V M Thu 20 May 2021 12:01PM

How we are going to "evaluate if the person is aligned to principles" and why we should scale the proposal with the ideological stand of the person who propose it? Don't ideas have independent existence?

PP

Pirate Praveen Thu 20 May 2021 1:27PM

We can look at their previous public stands on discussions. It is a balance between making it easy to participate and not allowing random people not really aligned with us from stopping us from making any progress.

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