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Fri 11 Jun 2021 2:19PM

Restrict matrix group to Associates only?

PP Pirate Praveen Public Seen by 52

We see a lot of endless debates which will never conclude when people with opposing ideologies debate and it is a waste of time and effort (time and attention is not an infinte resource). I think the effort to keep the group in good shape is too much compared to the results, I'm wondering if we should make it associates only. What do you think?

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Pirate Vik Wed 16 Jun 2021 1:23PM

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Pirate Vik Tue 15 Jun 2021 12:22PM

@Pirate Praveen still, it was a good experiment and it actually resulted in the creation of a better framework for the organisation. I think there is an apt saying, is starts with something like "at first they laugh at you"

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Akshay Tue 15 Jun 2021 1:22PM

Well. I'm wary of this being considered a slippery slope argument. But what will be the policy when the trolls start becoming associate members? What happens when someone slips in through the vouching process? It's possible to say that as long as that doesn't practically occur we don't have to worry.

What should be the basis of vouching someone? Should we ask that question only when that becomes a problem? Okay. I'll wait.

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Pirate Praveen Tue 15 Jun 2021 6:53PM

When trolls become associates, that will be another milestone for our influence. We will know people are taking us more seriously to take extra effort to stop us. As Bady mentioned, I like to think we will have to go through these phases as well, 'First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, and then you win'. We will have to consider stricter rules for being an associate or think of removing associate status when they don't really follow the promise of agreeing to basic principles. As usual, the consensus based decision making among members is always available. As for trolls becoming members, if that becomes a serious issue and we fails to make any progress, we will have to fork. For vouching someone we need to look at their activities and genuineness. It is not like we need 100% agreement on everything, but are people reasonable in disagreements ? are they genuinely interested to find common ground ? etc.