Restrict matrix group to Associates only?
Pirate Praveen Fri 11 Jun 2021 2:19PMPublicSeen by 52We see a lot of endless debates which will never conclude when people with opposing ideologies debate and it is a waste of time and effort (time and attention is not an infinte resource). I think the effort to keep the group in good shape is too much compared to the results, I'm wondering if we should make it associates only. What do you think?
Make our main (English) matrix group Associates only.
proposal by Pirate Praveen Closed Tue 22 Jun 2021 3:20PM
Since there was no consensus at this level, it is moved to https://codema.in/d/4biWXDR5/restrict-our-main-matrix-group-to-associates-only/1
We can keep it open and mention this requirement in topic. When someone new joins, we can point them to our constitution and ask them to be Associates if they want to continue talking in the group. This way we keep the option of allowing those who found us from other places to ask for more information.
Results
| Results | Option | Votes | % of votes cast | % of eligible voters | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Agree | 6 | 67 | 3 |   | |
| Abstain | 1 | 11 | 1 |  | |
| Disagree | 2 | 22 | 1 |  | |
| Block | 0 | 0 | 0 | ||
| Undecided | 177 | 95 |              |
9 of 186 votes cast (4% participation)
Pirate Vik
Sat 12 Jun 2021 4:08PM
There is important work to do in growing a political party, having endless debates on social media is distracting and a waste of effort
Akshay
Sun 13 Jun 2021 6:43PM
This has to be acknowledged as a fundamental challenge in implementation of peer-to-peer anarchic democracy. As I don't have any answer myself, I'm abstaining.
DhaneshMon 14 Jun 2021 12:45PM
The pointless discussions are only causing frustration and wasting brain cycles.
Pirate BadyMon 14 Jun 2021 7:31PM
let's also expand the FAQ to add why this decision is not against the basic principles or against free speech. here's an attempt: https://cryptpad.fr/pad/#/2/pad/edit/TrLMMzrl7Px-+Zit56OWdl-e/ (see the question "How open is Indian Pirates towards criticism?").
FirescarWed 16 Jun 2021 12:42PM
You just called Indian Pirates as a left echo chamber. Haha. This is a fundamental change because only communists will be entering in this party space as associates now.
Pirate VikWed 16 Jun 2021 1:20PM
😆 hilarious
Pirate PraveenMon 14 Jun 2021 4:20PM
@Akshay I don't think it is a fundamental change. From the beginning, peer to peer structure was considered for (permanent) members only. I never envisioned giving equal rights to just anyone who joins our discussion groups. They had to explicitly ask to be associates and then ask to be members, they also need vouching by existing members before they get equal rights as other members. The open discussions are just a way for people to get started and we just realized the cost of running such a group is very high from experience. So basically this is just winding up an experiment for wider participation.
FirescarWed 16 Jun 2021 12:45PM
This is just winding up an experiment for wider participation. Lol what? The self pat on the back you often indulge in is cringeworthy.
Pirate Vik ·Mon 14 Jun 2021 12:02PM
@Akshay why is it a fundamental change? On the contrary, the proposal itself is democratic and will only result in a change, if people vote for it. If dissenters views lose out but they have sufficient energy, they will fork the group and create something.