COllaborative DEcision MAking (codema.in)

Provide Fediverse services on durare.org

fugata Tue 24 Dec 2024 5:02PMPublicSeen by 37

This is a thread for discussion about the poll - https://codema.in/p/Y1lCZmJF/provide-fediverse-and-other-federated-services-on-durare-org

Provide Fediverse and other federated services on durare.org

proposal by fugata Closed Wed 22 Jan 2025 2:00PM

What is the decision you need to make?

I volunteer to set up and maintain some private Fediverse services on durare.org, which also allowing users to invite other users. Such services include -

1. Akkoma (federated Twitter)

- While Mastodon is more popular and has more polished mobile apps, Akkoma is more featureful and expressive, while still being compatible with Mastodon and its apps.

2. Pixelfed (federated Instagram)

3. Loops (federated TikTok)

4. PeerTube (federated YouTube)

5. Flohmarkt (federated marketplace)

6. Mobilizon (federated Meetup/Facebook Events)

I'll also set up SSO, so a user can access XMPP + all these services through a single durare.org account.

If these services are set up, I would also be happy to conduct fundraising and marketing efforts to help bring more funding to durare.org.

Why is this important?

Through disinformation and censorship, corporate-controlled social media is playing an important role in weakening democracies across the world (including ours). For sake of our freedoms, it is imperative that we fight back.

People in India have very little awareness of the Fediverse, and I want to onboard them (as do many of us, I'm sure).

There is also an ongoing exodus from Twitter, and we should take advantage of it to onboard people to the Fediverse. If we don't act now, we will allow Bluesky to become the next Twitter.

This requires Fediverse services that are -

1. as easy to join as Quicksy on XMPP

2. run by Indians - people who can communicate in Indian languages, and are even slightly aware of Indian culture and current affairs

Ideally, there should also be email, Jitsi Meet, and Cryptpad, so people can also move away from GMail, Zoom, and Google Docs. I'm aware that FSCI already self-hosts PeerTube and Jitsi Meet instances, but the idea here is to give lay users an array of services for their own use, with a single account.

durare.org has been facing difficulties in funding and finding volunteers. These additional services will improve durare.org's value proposition, and help bring in more users, donations, and volunteers.

What are you asking people to do?

For this proposal to pass, we need the majority of members to vote Agree.

If you Disagree, say why and what needs to change for you to Agree.

Results

Arya K
Abstain
Sun 22 Dec 2024 9:48AM

On the surface this is a good idea, but does fsci really have enough volunteers and people to sustain an instance long term?

I'm not even factoring how much of a pain many fediverse services become to maintain resource wise after they federated with too many instances

fugataTue 24 Dec 2024 5:04PM

@Arya K In the long term, I expect this to attract more volunteers compared to running just an XMPP service. Especially considering the marketing we'll be able to do once these services are running...

Pirate Praveen
Disagree
Sun 22 Dec 2024 9:48AM

I am not very excited about adding new services, in our current situation, that too many of them at once, because of the cost and effort this requires ( I don't disagree in principle, but in our current situation, we neither have enough funds nor volunteers). But I can change to abstain if you find at least one more volunteer to take ownership for all these services and raise funds to run for at least 6 months before we start. I don't want this to be a burden to existing volunteers.

fugataTue 24 Dec 2024 5:26PM

@Pirate Praveen  It doesn't have to be all these services at once...

Could you let me know what the target for 6 months would be?

Ravi Dwivedi
Disagree
Sun 22 Dec 2024 9:48AM

I do like the idea but my experience with other services like poddery.com shows that it is hard to get volunteers and funds for such volunteer run services. I would really like to see a project running these services succeed. So, if @fugata manages to get volunteers and funding along with a reasonably long beta period (let's say 6 months as @Pirate Praveen proposed) then I will change my vote to "Agree".

perry
Agree
Sun 22 Dec 2024 9:48AM

I have made some observations in https://codema.in/d/28QltZyb/provide-fediverse-services-on-durare-org/9 and I like to help in maintaining and doing housekeeping and moderation.

Buster Keaton
Disagree
Sun 22 Dec 2024 9:48AM

Same views as of Praveen and Ravi's. Instead of adding value proposition, I hope it doesn't disrupt or add burden on the existing 3 planned xmpp services on the Durare's server. Hence, it would be better if they are on a different server.

Ravi DwivediWed 1 Jan 2025 8:36PM

@Buster Keaton We have to decide whether to run the services in the first place as a part of durare.org project. After we have consensus on running the services, we can decide whether to host them on a new server or the existing one.

Badri Sunderarajan
Agree
Fri 27 Dec 2024 11:03AM

I think it's a good idea to have an India-run Fediverse server (similar idea to diasp.in?). The topic of Indians being spread out across instances and not having a go-to server keeps coming up, showing there is appetite for such an instance.

I agree with some others on not having these services on the same server as Prosody, in case they take too many resources. However, as @fugata said having it under the same project will help bring more volunteers and funding to durare.org than only XMPP.

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